Greenburgh, New York tax plan for senior citizens
I saw this on the FOX News Channel this morning.
Evidently the real-estate taxes in Greensburgh are pretty high and rising. There are several retired old folks who can't pay them any longer. The town supervisor is considering a plan where instead of foreclosing and selling their homes for taxes, he wants to let them go to work for the town, and be paid in tax credits in lieu of salary.
Finally, the government has gotten around to the first step in cutting out the middle man.
Evidently the real-estate taxes in Greensburgh are pretty high and rising. There are several retired old folks who can't pay them any longer. The town supervisor is considering a plan where instead of foreclosing and selling their homes for taxes, he wants to let them go to work for the town, and be paid in tax credits in lieu of salary.
Finally, the government has gotten around to the first step in cutting out the middle man.
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Didn't they try this before? Wasn't it called indentured servitude? Only this time it's state sponsored and it lasts more than seven years. 0 -
Now departing from socialism, next stop communism. [xx(] 0 -
I heard it also this AM,.......how can this be done, but they are not able to force welfare recipients to do the same in exchange for their "checks"? 0 -
The government plantation. They think they are doing these folks a favor!!!!! [:(!][:(!][xx(] 0 -
Sounds like slavery is back. But we're all slaves when you think about it.[:0] 0 -
CALIFORNIA took care of THAT in 1978. We don't have old folks here being
forced out of their homes. Too bad more folks don't wake up up and smell
the roses!
... read up on Prop 13 sometime.
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quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
I heard it also this AM,.......how can this be done, but they are not able to force welfare recipients to do the same in exchange for their "checks"?
Welfare recipients don't have a house to foreclose on which they have spent their lives paying for. [:(]0 -
quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
CALIFORNIA took care of THAT in 1978. We don't have old folks here being
forced out of their homes. Too bad more folks don't wake up up and smell
the roses!
... read up on Prop 13 sometime.
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Zip, I've heard some young out of state buyers got a bit of a shock after buying an older home in California. They ask the owner how much the taxes are, then after the sale they find out how much the taxes really are. [:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
CALIFORNIA took care of THAT in 1978. We don't have old folks here being
forced out of their homes. Too bad more folks don't wake up up and smell
the roses!
... read up on Prop 13 sometime.
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Zip, I've heard some young out of state buyers got a bit of a shock after buying an older home in California. They ask the owner how much the taxes are, then after the sale they find out how much the taxes really are. [:D]
Upon sale the taxes are reset at "just value",.......prop 13 is not much different than what we have in Florida at the present.0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
I heard it also this AM,.......how can this be done, but they are not able to force welfare recipients to do the same in exchange for their "checks"?
Welfare recipients don't have a house to foreclose on which they have spent their lives paying for. [:(]
True,......but they could cut that monthly check off.
I know, I know![:(]0 -
quote:JamesRK:
Zip, I've heard some young out of state buyers got a bit of a shock after buying an older home in California. They ask the owner how much the taxes are, then after the sale they find out how much the taxes really are.
That may be true ... but ... I thought this thread was about "retired old folks - usually on a fixed income - who can't pay increasing taxes any longer." ... and the [:o)]fools[:o)] who are singing the blues about it!
My mother bought a house, in West Hills (San Franando Valley), back in 1978 for about $72,000. The taxes have remained about $1200 a year - thanks to Prop 13. The house's current value is probably somewhere between $550K and $600K - regardless if you believe it, or not - and had the taxes continued to increase from 1978, it is improbable that an 82 year old (widow) homemaker living on a small social security fixed income could have kept up with those ever increasing taxes for long. Now, in MOST parts of this grand and glorious land of ours it's, "Too bad elderly lady! Put what you can into a shopping cart and push it the hell outta here if you won't (can't) pay $3K-$4K a year in increased house taxes!"
The folks who crafted Prop. 13 in CALIFORNIA knew EXACTLY what they were doing and God Bless THEM!
The younger folks are WORKING and if they can't afford to buy new houses in West Hills, they live ELSEWHERE - OR - buy small (while young and working) and do what we (and just about everyone I know) did and fix up three or four houses and sell them, until you get where you want to go!
The other option is to leave - go to West Undershirt KS and buy there, where houses aren't as expensive.
My mother didn't buy a house in Beverly Hills because she couldn't afford one there in 1978 - or she would have!
Frankly, I LIKE this plan of protecting the elderly and INSISTING that the young WORK for what they want. We did - nobody ever gave either of us anything that we didn't earn and I expect nobody to take anything that I've spent a lifetime earning, away from me, either!
... it's just too damned bad that the rest of this country doesn't show more respect for their elders ... instead of standing around flapping their arms at their sides and whining about it! WHY don't they DO something about it? It isn't that hard people - IT'S COMMON SENSE!
... sorry, I forgot ... being in CALIFORNIA, I guess, I just can't figure it out for myself and am off topic! LOL[:D]
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Zip,.......we have a referendum on the ballots here this year, which I will vote for, that allows you to take your previous valuation, and exemption under our "prop13" to another home if seniors want to downsize, without being penalized by having the home value reset from the home they sold WITH protection, and buying another home WITHOUT the protection.
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That's great Marc! Glad to hear it!
At the time (1977/1978) Prop 13 was considered/billed as a 'Tax Payer Revolt!' ... and I agreed/agree and think that there should be MORE taxpayer revolts, too! ... instead we just hear more of the same ole whiney whine.
Here's something ELSE that will REALLY gripe the gripers!
Before she passed away in 2004 we CAREFULLY placed the home in a FAMILY TRUST .. so we maintain that $1200 tax rate until (and IF) we sell that house!
... sometimes I just LOVE lawyers!
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If things are getting so desperate there, the only sensible thing would be to find a way to just plain lower the taxes. Because of the old retired folks are in such desperate straits, you can be sure that most of the other townspeople aren't handling those taxes much better. I'm surprised there isn't a mass exodus out of that town. Keep us informed, James. 0 -
(There WILL be a mass exodus there ... and it will be filled by Mexicans ... millions of them ... renting rooms there ... 25 to a room![:D]) 0 -
Zip, I'll have to try to remember what I said so the next time I want to get you wound up I'll know how to do it. [:D]
I don't have a problem with Proposition 13. When the tax assessors and tax collectors and tax spenders were crying about Prop 13 would bankrupt the state, I saw it for the oatmeal it was at the time.
Actually, I'd like to see property taxes done away with altogether. I don't buy the argument that it can't be replaced with some other kind of tax. As long as we have property taxes we don't really have privately owned property, and privately owned property is the foundation of freedom. I don't really own my house, I just have a permanent lease from the county. To find out who really owns my property all I have to do is miss an annual rent payment (real-estate tax) and see who collects at the sale.0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
Zip, I'll have to try to remember what I said so the next time I want to get you wound up I'll know how to do it. [:D]
I don't have a problem with Proposition 13. When the tax assessors and tax collectors and tax spenders were crying about Prop 13 would bankrupt the state, I saw it for the oatmeal it was at the time.
Actually, I'd like to see property taxes done away with altogether. I don't buy the argument that it can't be replaced with some other kind of tax. As long as we have property taxes we don't really have privately owned property, and privately owned property is the foundation of freedom. I don't really own my house, I just have a permanent lease from the county. To find out who really owns my property all I have to do is miss an annual rent payment (real-estate tax) and see who collects at the sale.
When someone makes their last mortgage payment, YOU own the property IMHO.
The "props" to the laws are nothing but crutches, to help folks along.
This truly comes down to property rights, and NO PERSON should be forced out of a paid for home, because of "taxes".
They have hundreds of ways to make up for that.
Ever seen the number of taxes on a simple cell phone bill?
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quote:JamesRK:
Zip, I'll have to try to remember what I said so the next time I want to get you wound up I'll know how to do it.
LOL ... I don't mind getting wound up - especially when I'm having a phone day - that's what today is. This is my way of electro-magnetically doodling.
My father used to spend hours on the phone as a heavy machine tools sales engineer and later as a NASA project manager and he'd 'doodle' on a large yellow lined tablet with a fountain pen ... I wish I had some of those afternoon masterpieces!
Me? I just drop into GB and unload on the KB.
This is nice because it leaves no mess that *I* have to clean up!
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quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
Zip, I'll have to try to remember what I said so the next time I want to get you wound up I'll know how to do it. [:D]
I don't have a problem with Proposition 13. When the tax assessors and tax collectors and tax spenders were crying about Prop 13 would bankrupt the state, I saw it for the oatmeal it was at the time.
Actually, I'd like to see property taxes done away with altogether. I don't buy the argument that it can't be replaced with some other kind of tax. As long as we have property taxes we don't really have privately owned property, and privately owned property is the foundation of freedom. I don't really own my house, I just have a permanent lease from the county. To find out who really owns my property all I have to do is miss an annual rent payment (real-estate tax) and see who collects at the sale.
Man oh man! Until I read the above I had never thought of it that way. Well, yet another item on my to do list. Get rid of property tax.0
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