SS# REQUIRED FOR WA DL (UPDATE)
quote:Took my youngest to the WA DMV last week to get her drivers permit renewed.
Signs are prominently placed all over the facility regarding the requirement that ALL applicants must provide a valid SS# to recieve either a DL or ID card from the state of WA.
As my daughter and I are at one station having her ID and eyesight checked, an hispanic man is called to the next station to our left.
He sits down and the clerk asks him for his current ID card and he places his mexican ID card on the desk in front of him.
The clerk then asks if he has a SS# and he simply responds, "no".
I'm expecting the clerk to TRY to explain to him (of course he speaks little english) that she cannot complete his request without a valid SS#.
Instead the clerk's response is, "OK, that will be $25".
Apparently the law in WA doesn't apply to illegal immigrants.
What a shock!![xx(]
So senator Zarrelli's office calls me back on Friday and tells me the answer to my question is long and complicated.
Wanted my mailing address so they could mail me a packet of info to address my question.
But she told me the short answer is: Illegal aliens are allowed to obtain a WA DL or ID without a SS#.
Representative's office also calls on Friday and says SS# is a federal requirement and they would like the information about where and when this transaction took place so they can investigate and turn it over to the State's Attorney General's office if necessary.
I called the office manager where this happened and he tells me that the state of WA is one of very few states that DON'T require a SS# to obtain a DL or ID.
I believe that his explanation would fit with what I've come to expect in this liberal toilet bowl of a state.
A preponderance of the evidence would indicate that only illegal aliens (who else wouldn't have a SS#) are allowed to obtain a DL without the same documentation that any legal, taxpaying citizen would be required to provide.
Signs are prominently placed all over the facility regarding the requirement that ALL applicants must provide a valid SS# to recieve either a DL or ID card from the state of WA.
As my daughter and I are at one station having her ID and eyesight checked, an hispanic man is called to the next station to our left.
He sits down and the clerk asks him for his current ID card and he places his mexican ID card on the desk in front of him.
The clerk then asks if he has a SS# and he simply responds, "no".
I'm expecting the clerk to TRY to explain to him (of course he speaks little english) that she cannot complete his request without a valid SS#.
Instead the clerk's response is, "OK, that will be $25".
Apparently the law in WA doesn't apply to illegal immigrants.
What a shock!![xx(]
So senator Zarrelli's office calls me back on Friday and tells me the answer to my question is long and complicated.
Wanted my mailing address so they could mail me a packet of info to address my question.
But she told me the short answer is: Illegal aliens are allowed to obtain a WA DL or ID without a SS#.
Representative's office also calls on Friday and says SS# is a federal requirement and they would like the information about where and when this transaction took place so they can investigate and turn it over to the State's Attorney General's office if necessary.
I called the office manager where this happened and he tells me that the state of WA is one of very few states that DON'T require a SS# to obtain a DL or ID.
I believe that his explanation would fit with what I've come to expect in this liberal toilet bowl of a state.
A preponderance of the evidence would indicate that only illegal aliens (who else wouldn't have a SS#) are allowed to obtain a DL without the same documentation that any legal, taxpaying citizen would be required to provide.
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Hope you're not surprised.[V][V] 0 -
this d... country is goin to h... in a hand basket for sure, bad news[V] 0 -
...and, you got her (clerks) name, time, and date...and contacted who??
...If you did not bother with taking five minutes to gather this info, to at least ATTEMPT to report the incident...it should not "SHOCK" you at all.
...That's the problem, most everyone is too apathetic to even attempt to do a damn thing when they wittness something that is illegal/wrong...[;)]
...I just noticed your sig line, apparantly you have decided/sided also with Bush and the others that won't/don't do anything about these illegals...[V]
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My dad told me he had to get a "International" drivers' license when he was in Japan for a time (I wonder if it's like that)?
Personally I wouldn't care if dude has a valid license or not. To me it's all about INSURANCE that is going to pay out.0 -
Colt- You're right there's a little irony there if he said nothing/took no action. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by yoshmyster
My dad told me he had to get a "International" drivers' license when he was in Japan for a time (I wonder if it's like that)?
Personally I wouldn't care if dude has a valid license or not. To me it's all about INSURANCE that is going to pay out.
The last time I got an international driver's license was a looong time ago, but all I had to do was show my Virginia driver's license, military ID card and take a written test. I think there was a fee involved, but the Navy picked up the tab.
For more years than I can remember, your Social Security Number was also your driver's license number in Virginia, but they changed that because of so much fraud going on. Now they have a unique driver's license number not connected to the Social Security Number. I have one of the last licenses with the SSN and when I renew it will be changed.
I have heard, but don't know to be a fact, that in the near future you'll have to bring a birth certificate or passport to get or renew a Virginia driver's license.0 -
Posted by Colt:
quote:...and, you got her (clerks) name, time, and date...and contacted who??
...If you did not bother with taking five minutes to gather this info, to at least ATTEMPT to report the incident...it should not "SHOCK" you at all.
...That's the problem, most everyone is too apathetic to even attempt to do a damn thing when they wittness something that is illegal/wrong...
...I just noticed your sig line, apparantly you have decided/sided also with Bush and the others that won't/don't do anything about these illegals...
Posted by Dave W.
quote: Colt- You're right there's a little irony there if he said nothing/took no action.
As if either of you deserve any explanation of the action taken or not taken, I'll respond.
The offices of State Senator Joseph Zarelli and State representative Ed Orcutt were contacted on Monday Morning.
I requested an explanation/clarification on the State DMV's policy regarding valid SS numbers as a pre-requisite to obtaining a WA DL or ID.
I'm still awaiting a return call with that information, although I was told that this is a Federal requirement.
It's no secret that the democrat controlled legislatures of WA and OR will do anything possible to make our "neighbors from the south" feel welcomed in our country.
Would you both be happier had I created a scene or shot the place up a little?
And what, exactly, have either of you fine gentlemen done about the brown flood of illegal aliens?
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stan thanks. I did not hammer on you about it, jsut found it ironic as Dave did...you dont owe anyone an explanation of what you did or didn't do...I just stated my thoughts on the subject...[;)] 0 -
stanman- I did find it strange that you would take the time to write all of this on gunbroker (the original post), but negate to mention any corrective action taken on your part due to the noticably outspoken line in your signature block.
If you do not find a satisfactory answer to your phone calls, I recomend you get ahold of Congressman Dave Riechert. Hopefully you already know who he is and what a good guy he is.
http://www.house.gov/reichert/
By the way there really was no need for your negative reaction, we read what you posted, sorry we couldn't however read your mind.0 -
We have had the SS number for DL here in CA for many years. It was supposed to force dead beat dad's into paying their support money by not allowing them to renew their drivers licenses if they fall behind. How effective this program has been is anyones guess. 0 -
stanman- For what its' worth I know for certain I never had to present my SS card to get my Washington St. concealed carry permit.
Same with my California concealed carry permit, and my Florida concealed carry permit, and as far as I can tell it won't be required for my Texas permit.0 -
I don't kmow about anybody elses SS card but mine has a sentence at the bottom.
"FOR SOCIAL SECURITY and tax purposes-NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION"
Check yours. (maybe my card is just old)
In WV and Fl you do not have to put your SS# on your DL!
I would ask anyone telling me that "it's a federal requirement" to show me the paperwork from the federal government. (betcha it's a state or local "endrun")
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Posted by Dave W.:
quote:stanman- I did find it strange that you would take the time to write all of this on gunbroker (the original post), but negate to mention any corrective action taken on your part due to the noticably outspoken line in your signature block.
If you do not find a satisfactory answer to your phone calls, I recomend you get ahold of Congressman Dave Riechert. Hopefully you already know who he is and what a good guy he is.
The subject of the original post wasn't ME.
The subject was a state (or federal) policy that appeared to be overlooked when that might favor illegal aliens.
I have not yet recieved an adequate explanation of that policy and saw no reason to comment on my actions to recieve that explanation.
Thanks for the name of Mr. Reichert.
I don't know him and don't remember ever hearing his name.0 -
Here in MO. the DMV has a program called "show me proof" to get your license.
They require 3 things:
proof of lawful presence= birth cert.
proof of identity= SSN
proof of residency= utility bill,bank statement, pay check stub
non U.S. citizens= govt. papers that indicate their current status in the U.S.
the last time that I renewed my DL I could not find my SS card before I went to the DMV. I told the clerk that I knew my number but I did not have my card. She refused to issue my new DL without seeing the card. I had to go to the SS office and apply for a new card and then return to the DMV with the receipt I got from the
SS office. What a pain in the a$$!0 -
I live in Washigton State and just renewed my DL in January.All they asked for was my old DL.
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Thanks for the update.
I wonder if they registered to vote while they were there?0
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