Does the age of the earth affect your faith?
Another topic raised (yet again) the issue of the age of the earth.
I saw a number of responses that sounded to me like: "I don't care if the earth is 6000 years or 4.5 billion years old; that has no bearing on my faith.
Who agrees that the age of the earth does not bear AT ALL on their faith (and also that their faith does not bear AT ALL on their notion of the age of the earth)?
Answer positive or negative; I'm curious.
(Fair disclosure: I am at best an agnostic and the age of the earth has no bearing on my questions about God. I believe entirely that the earth is about 4 billion years old and that life here can be explained by an accident of chemistry. I am a scientist, so I cannot speak authoritatively regarding the soul; it is beyond the purview of science.)
I saw a number of responses that sounded to me like: "I don't care if the earth is 6000 years or 4.5 billion years old; that has no bearing on my faith.
Who agrees that the age of the earth does not bear AT ALL on their faith (and also that their faith does not bear AT ALL on their notion of the age of the earth)?
Answer positive or negative; I'm curious.
(Fair disclosure: I am at best an agnostic and the age of the earth has no bearing on my questions about God. I believe entirely that the earth is about 4 billion years old and that life here can be explained by an accident of chemistry. I am a scientist, so I cannot speak authoritatively regarding the soul; it is beyond the purview of science.)
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maybe there's a way to prove the existence of god using carpentry. [:D] 0 -
the age of the earth does not matter to me because I do not believe in the Bible,,Now dont take that to mean I do not believe in a higher power because I do,,The Bible on the other hand is a book Written by men,,not One word in it was written by a God,,,What would you think if a modern preacher,,,say Benny Hinn showed up with a new scripture he wanted added to the Bible and he claimed God inspired him to write it,,would you add it >>>,,why is that different than how the Bible was composed..A bounch of old priest who wanted a way to control their flock,,tell them God said so,,play on their superstitions,,too many things in the Bible contradict its self of can just be proven wrong using written history and science 0 -
quote:say Benny Hinn showed up with a new scripture he wanted added to the Bible and he claimed God inspired him to write it
People are gullible. They believed to the early teachers (out of ignornace and superstition). They believed in Martin Luther and his views when he split from the Catholic church). They believed in Joseph Smith (morman who found the gold tablets with the new scriptures on it}. They believed Jim Jones. The list goes on and on. Take a look at the new guy on the block claiming to be Jesus Christ reincarnate, he has a few hundred thousand that believe him. If you have a good enough silver tongue you can make people believe anything whether it be true or not.
P.T. Barnum had it right....0 -
I believe what I believe, and I'm not influenced by nay sayers and their arguments. There is a God and an afterlife, and I will be judged. 0 -
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
there was no life at that time.
Who laid the measures thereof, who stretched the line upon it?
nobody. it formed just like all the other planets.
Where are the foundations fastened? Who laid the corner stone thereof?
it's floating in space. it weighs a lot, that's why it doesn't float off.
Who laid the course of rivers, or a way for the lightning of thunder?
gravity
Have you entered into the springs of the sea? Have you walked in the search of the depth?
they been there, done that
Have the gates of death been opened unto you? Have you seen the doors of the shadow of death?
seen enough of it. dead is dead.0 -
quote:If what the Bible says in the first 3 chapters of Genesis is not true then there is no reason to believe that what follows is true either.
Genesis has two different accounts of the creation, which one is the true one, indicating it was written by at least two different people.
Each account contradicting the other. HMMMMMMM..Along with the other 1000 contradictions found in that book, AHHHHHH! but it dont matter. No matter what it says I believe it cause the preacher told me I had to and I was taught from the cradle to belive it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Dennis Smith
A large part of my life was spent as an amateur astronomer, looking thru telescopes at stars and planets and distant galaxies. The depth of mystery of it all was overpowering. Watching a thunderstorm move in was more powerful than anything mankind could match.
I happened to hear a passage out of an ancient book and it kinda stuck with me, here's a few lines...
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Who laid the measures thereof, who stretched the line upon it?
Where are the foundations fastened? Who laid the corner stone thereof?
Who laid the course of rivers, or a way for the lightning of thunder?
Have you entered into the springs of the sea? Have you walked in the search of the depth?
Have the gates of death been opened unto you? Have you seen the doors of the shadow of death?
That would be when God talks to Job, towards the end of the book of Job. Point being that Job thought he was righteous and could not understand why bad things were happening to him. So God questioned Job and convinced him of his sin, where he then admitted his sinfulness and helplessness, and God saved him. Then God gave him back everything that he had taken from him, and more.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
quote:If what the Bible says in the first 3 chapters of Genesis is not true then there is no reason to believe that what follows is true either.
Genesis has two different accounts of the creation, which one is the true one, indicating it was written by at least two different people.
Each account contradicting the other. HMMMMMMM..Along with the other 1000 contradictions found in that book, AHHHHHH! but it dont matter. No matter what it says I believe it cause the preacher told me I had to and I was taught from the cradle to belive it.
I must be missing something, cause I have read through Genesis at least 3 times in the last few years and still can only find one story of creation in the first few chapters. As for contradictions, have been through the whole Bible multiple times and for the life of me I cannot find any contradictions in it. Some parts are hard to understand in the Old testament, but still do not see any contradictions in them. And no, I was not raised in church, nor told to believe this and that by a preacher, nor have I been forced to believe something because my family says to. I only first started going to church about 6 years ago, not because someone made me but because I had read some of the Bible on my own and wanted to get some answers from it, because on my own I believed that it was true. My family does not believe the Bible like I do, and they did not go to church either until after I had started going. I chose to believe, and I chose to live my life as though it is true, because it is, whether or not people choose to believe it. No, I will not make someone believe it, but I will tell you why I do believe. Jesus Christ died for me, and he alone will I serve, whether or not anyone else chooses to.0 -
quote:That's pretty Dawsonist.
Actually, I don't think it is. The fact I never heard of the guy doesn't enter into it, nor does the fact that I don't listen to NPR. My atheism is not based on whether science can or cannot detect gods or measure how many angels can dance upon the head of a pin. I simply see no indication that the notion of a god, Christian or otherwise is probable. I am equally sure he/she has no faith in me. I am dead certain that no Church I have ever been into is home to god, though I have seen some near unbelievable testaments to man's faith.0 -
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
there was no life at that time.
How do you know?
Who laid the measures thereof, who stretched the line upon it?
nobody. it formed just like all the other planets.
Formed out of what? How?
Where are the foundations fastened? Who laid the corner stone thereof?
it's floating in space. it weighs a lot, that's why it doesn't float off.
Just where is the foundation of the universe?
Who laid the course of rivers, or a way for the lightning of thunder?
gravity
Who made gravity?
Have you entered into the springs of the sea? Have you walked in the search of the depth?
they been there, done that
Really?
Have the gates of death been opened unto you? Have you seen the doors of the shadow of death?
seen enough of it. dead is dead.
How do you know, have you been there?0 -
DIEHARD: Evidently you have missed something,, in Genessis the two accountings are a mistake in in what day what was done.. One account has different things on different days than the other. Also the Lights The Greater one the sun and the lesser one the moon are created after plant life.. HMMMMMM and we all know the moon doesnt have a light of its own, its a reflection off the sun,, HMMMMMM..
If you havent seen contradictions then you have not been comprehending what you are reading, or you like so many others refuse to see the contradictions, and want to give some lame excuse why there are these contradictions..
Simply Google "Biblical contradictions and you will find many sites by Biblical writers and scholars pointing them out.
I even have some books here by Biblical archeologists that explain the 1000 discrepencies and just how errent the bible is..
Want me to send ya a couple????
While Im here explain this contradiction. one of the first in the book.
These words are right out of the king james bible.. I didnt make them up.. Evidently the writer got confused or there was more than one writer with a different account , Which came first Man or animal???
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
By the two verses above one shows the animals first, the second shows man first.. which is the right one? I guess you can find the rest of the problems with that book on your own now..0 -
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lets see,,first woman was not Eve but Lilith ..she was created the same time as Adam but she rebelled because she considered herself equal to any man and would not lay under him while having sex so she was replaced by Eve,,Thats my favorite because it starts at the beginning ,,O thats right,,Lilith is in every Bible but the Christian ones,,,but here are a few more..>>>>>>
Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Humm Jacob or Heli
The number of beasts in the ark
GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
Must of been one big boat
How many stalls and horsemen?
KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
40,000 or 4,000 I guess size does matter
Jesus' last words
Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
many Bible scholars that have studied it all their lives agree there are too many opposing views in the Bible to take it literal,,,
yet many lay people do just that because that is what they were taught in sunday school0 -
"just beleive... just have faith..." 0 -
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No....I can't without out a doubt prove the earth is 10,000 or 4 billion years old. Neither can anyone else absolutely. 0 -
No effect at all ... God made it, and who's to say that the first rock He made could not have a little bug in it that looked to be a trillion years old!
Or do you think the first tree had no rings in it ... or did they all come from acorns!
The important proof issue is that He loves us, AND HE PROVED it on the cross!0
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