VA TECH Recently happy CCW on Campus Failed - C&P
HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.
By Greg Esposito 381-1675
A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.
House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.
The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.
Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."
The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.
Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.
In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.
By Greg Esposito 381-1675
A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.
House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.
The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.
Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."
The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.
Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.
In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.
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Those words just might come back to bite him in the azz. I sure hope the pro-gun lobby can turn the tide of the gun issue in favor of unrestricted CCW carry. 0 -
Great article, very timely.
"Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus."
Ever notice how so many police chiefs are in favor of disarming the citizens?0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Great article, very timely.
"Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus."
Ever notice how so many police chiefs are in favor of disarming the citizens?
Yes, I have noticed that....and more. Politicians, with gun toting bodyguards nearby, spouting off about how Citizens shouldn't have guns. Editorial newspaper writers, writing from the safety of their office with guards (often armed) patroling the bldg., writing against citizens owing guns. Police chiefs and officals, with a gun on their belt for their protection, lecturing about how citziens don't need guns.
The anti-gunners claim that we citizens should just rrely on the police to protect us. But if you take a tour through almost any cemetery, and understand the story of what put severa thousands of those deceased people there, you will soon learn that the police ARE NOT protecting each and every citizen. Nor are they able to do so.
So the next time a liberal tells me I should rely on the police for protection I am going to tell them that if that is the case, then ALL police departments should be disbanded and start over because from reading the crime stories in the news THERE IS A HE!! OF A LOT OF VIOLENT CRIME THAT IS NOT BEING STOPPED BY THE POLICE.
BTW, I am well aware that the police cannot stop all crime.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigtire
Those words just might come back to bite him in the azz.
MIGHT???0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
"Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus."
Ever notice how so many police chiefs are in favor of disarming the citizens?You don't become a chief by virtue of being the best officer in the agency. Most all police chiefs are chosen and appointed to their position by local politicians. It's a highly politicized job where their longevity is at the mercy of every local activist who gets themselves elected for a single term.
The Virginia Tech shooting is THE hot topic of every cop board on the net that I've visited. These boards are generally made up of real cops, not chiefs or higher admin, and you're not seeing anyone saying more gun control is the answer. In fact, almost to a man they're saying that greater freedom for CCW is the best defense against mass shootings. University and college campuses are being recognized as particularly vulnerable to such incidents because of their tendency to prevent even their own campus security from being armed.
There are a lot more police associations around the country with memberships made up of real cops than there are Chief's associations. It's typical media slant that you aren't seeing them quoting these guys.
We're all aware of how biased the media can be on gun control and they're now operating in high gear. Chiefs bend whichever way the wind blows, but the vast majority of real cops are on the same page as you on this subject.0 -
Lets not forget about fathead Rosie O'Donnell years ago after ranting about guns, her bodyguard was picked up for violating some local jurisdictions gun laws while "packing", and keeping her safe.
By and large, the "street" cops, are fully in favor of citizens having weapons,........it is the Administrators, and Chiefs that constantly spout off against.0 -
Then why isn't there an organization of non-commanding officers who publicly state that? I mean, you have LEAP (http://leap.cc/) for officers who think the War On Drugs is a failure (as it obviously is...) but why not a group that advocates the 2nd amendment and "average" citizens? Or rather, if there is such a group, can you point me to it? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Great article, very timely.
"Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus."
Ever notice how so many police chiefs are in favor of disarming the citizens?
That's because they're politicians in most cases and not part of the rank-and-file.0 -
quote:Originally posted by iwannausername
Then why isn't there an organization of non-commanding officers who publicly state that? I mean, you have LEAP (http://leap.cc/) for officers who think the War On Drugs is a failure (as it obviously is...) but why not a group that advocates the 2nd amendment and "average" citizens? Or rather, if there is such a group, can you point me to it?
I can't point you to a specific organization,..........my comment comes from having so many LEO's as friends and acquaintances, due to I used to be a firefighter/EMT, and my fiance works at a womens prison, in medical records. All of them that I know are in favor of gun ownership, and me having a CCW. They often tell me about disagreements with the higher ups. Our last election here for Sherriff was spearheaded by the street officers, against their current Sherriff, trying to get one of their own in. I voted for him myself, unfortunately he lost by a narrow margin. The previous and current Sherriff is an "attorney"!!0 -
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
And that, my gun-totin' friends, is the crux of the matter. It ain't about BEING safe. It's about the ILLUSION of safety. I can't think of a better illustration of the difference between "us and "them". "They" want things to appear safe. "We" want to be safe.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
And that, my gun-totin' friends, is the crux of the matter. It ain't about BEING safe. It's about the ILLUSION of safety. I can't think of a better illustration of the difference between "us and "them". "They" want things to appear safe. "We" want to be safe.
Well put.0 -
Plink...X-ring! 
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this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
There is a diference between FEELING and BEING. If you can get a gun into an airport or a prison, you will SURE as hell be able to get one into a college campus. Been listening to the fatheads on TV talking about the lack of a "lockdown". Campus at Tech is 2,600 acres. Love to see how you "lock" that.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
There is a diference between FEELING and BEING. If you can get a gun into an airport or a prison, you will SURE as hell be able to get one into a college campus. Been listening to the fatheads on TV talking about the lack of a "lockdown". Campus at Tech is 2,600 acres. Love to see how you "lock" that.
Liberals and other nannies that want citizens to be forced to put all their trust and faith in the "authorities" protecting them love to throw around strong sounding phrases such as "lockdown.' By doing so it makes them appear as being able to take strong and decisive action to protect the public. As a matter of fact, that evil, crazed killer at VA Tech actually did his own version of a "lockdown". He chained the doors so his potential victims could not get away.0 -
iwannausername:
You might find some info at the LEAA web site.0
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