Using deer mineral attractants question
Yesterday I picked up some liquid deer cane thinking of putting it out on the back of my property.
I was not thinking at first if there might be a problem if I go to near a water source as I have a tiny creek that runs back there.
Will it pose a problem if I put this out about 10 yards from this creek?
We have alot of deer that make thier way along that creek and I am hopeing to slow them down a bit as they pass by my property so I can do some hunting back there.
I was going to plant a small seed area and use some deer cane and corn as well.
I personally have never hunted all that close to a water source and did not know if this may pose a problem.
I was not thinking at first if there might be a problem if I go to near a water source as I have a tiny creek that runs back there.
Will it pose a problem if I put this out about 10 yards from this creek?
We have alot of deer that make thier way along that creek and I am hopeing to slow them down a bit as they pass by my property so I can do some hunting back there.
I was going to plant a small seed area and use some deer cane and corn as well.
I personally have never hunted all that close to a water source and did not know if this may pose a problem.
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dont tell the epa[:D] i have used that stuff with no luck at all. they never even stoped to sniff. better off to get a 100 lb of corn, then you will have no worries about the water 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jwb267
dont tell the epa[:D] i have used that stuff with no luck at all. they never even stoped to sniff. better off to get a 100 lb of corn, then you will have no worries about the water
I got corn too!
I was going to try a few things and spread them out about 10 yards apart and see what works.
Nobody ever goes back into this area so I should be able to see the signs of what works real easy.0 -
How about a salt/mineral block also? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bama55
How about a salt/mineral block also?
I got 1 deer cane mineral block and one large deer mineral/salt block that I got a Tractor Supply.[:D]0 -
That ought to work. I don't know about the liquid near a stream. Heck, put it in a bucket.[:D] 0 -
how about being our field tester?
place some miracle grow out with it under some leaves see how it does compared0 -
Never used the liquid deer cane, but have had really good luck using the dry stuff! Have been putting about a bag every other month near one of my blinds for over a year now. There is a hole about 4 foot wide and about 2.5 feet deep where I have been spreading it out!! Last year had numerous deer come to it and hang around for a long time just eating the dirt. Pretty good stuff!
As far as corn...that is illegal where I hunt. Good luck!!0 -
Check this out, gitrdone:
This is from the Missouri dept of Agriculture.
This homemade mineral lick probably has the same minerals as your deer blocks. The advantage of it is the homemeade lick is a lot cheaper.
Also, supposedly the deer prefet to lick and eat mineral rich dirt, than to lick on a block.
I got this recipe six months ago. I went down to the local seed and feed store, and, sure enough, they had all the stuff in stock. It cost a little more than it says here, I paid about $40, but this makes 200 pounds. I mixed up a hundred pounds of it, and dug up an area of dirt four feet across, and six inches deep. I then mixed these minerals into the dirt.
Bear in mind, even though I own 48 acres, I am in the mountains of NC and there are very few deer here.
gitrdone I bet the deer population density is ten times greater where you live.
Nevertheless, my mineral lick has shown promising results. The deer were coming in and hitting it pretty well, at least, they were up until two months ago. That was when I broke my leg and I can't go check the lick on crutches.
If you click on this link you will see photos and you can see where the deer have eaten the mineral-dirt into craters ten inches deep and four feet wide, so I am confident that this is a good deer attractant, and will also contribute to larger horn size and give the does healthier milk to produce stronger, bigger fawns.
In other words, this stuff may not help you too much for this year's deer season, but would probably make a big difference for next year.
Good luck!
HOMEMADE DEER MINERAL RECIPE
by Allen "horntagger" Morris
This was passed to me from a private land conservationist from Missouri Department of Conservation in the county I have land in. This is just one example of how working with any game and fish department can benefit you. So now I am passing it along to you. You will be amazed on how well this works.
The ultimate goal of mineral supplements in deer management is to increase antler size and improve overall health of deer herds by providing minerals or trace minerals that may be lacking in a given area.
Although the jury is still out on effects of mineral supplements on wild deer populations since most studies have been on pen raised deer. Studies on wild population have been inconclusive and to a degree the same on pen raised deer due to other variables such as supplemental feeding that takes place in these areas. The direct benefits will probably be far greater in certain regions that lack certain trace minerals in the soil and plants.
One mixture or home recipe of deer minerals we recommend to landowners is a mix of one part Dicalcium Phosphate, 2 parts trace mineral salt (loose), and 1 part loose stock salt. All of these are available to purchase at most local feed and farm supply stores.
Just to give you a little background on these minerals and what they are designed to do lets start with the Dicalcium Phosphate.
Dicalcium phosphate is used primarily as dairy cattle feed additive and other animal feeds. It promotes feed digestion, weight gain, and milk production, which is obviously beneficial to a lactating doe deer. Dicalcium phosphate contains roughly between 18 and 21 percent phosphorus and 19 to 23 percent calcium.
You're probably asking why this is important by now. Well if your talking about growing antlers on deer you need to take a look at what is the make up of a deer antler.
Hardened antlers contain 40 to 50 percent organic matter from mostly proteins while the most abundant minerals consist of calcium and phosphorus. The demands for these minerals on a daily basis can be significant for antler production.
In addition, a lactating doe's milk contains high percentages of both calcium and phosphorus to pass on to their young, also causing a significant mineral drain on the doe. What makes all this significant is the fact that phosphorous cannot be synthesized by the body so it must be provided in needed levels in the animals diet. This is where a mineral mix such as this could be very valuable if an area is lacking in these naturally.
August 18th, 2001
Trace mineral salts do two things for deer. The first and foremost is it does have the salt/sodium to attract the deer and promote the use of the mineral. Secondly, it provides the trace minerals such as magnesium and potassium that are very important to herd health but are not found in significant quantities like others.
Stock salt is again like part of the above. It has the sodium to attract deer to the minerals. Most mineral mixes have salt as their most abundant ingredient since a mix of just phosphorus, calcium, and other trace minerals have little attraction to deer once mixed with the soil.
As for directions of use we suggest using a 3-pound coffee can to measure out 1 part dicalcium phoshate, 2 parts trace mineral salt, and 1 part stock salt. Mix all these together once ready to use but keep components separate during storage. Dig a hole in the soil about 36 inches wide and 6 inches deep and mix the mineral well with the soil. This should be replenished after 6 months and then once a year thereafter. Most use seems to be during the spring and summer months on mineral licks. It's a good idea to keep these areas replenished and stocked in the same spot to maintain use.
Because of shedding of the summer coat begins this time of year, the deer need the salt, and maybe next year you will get this out early in the year to help with antler growth and fawn health.
Mineral Lick November 14th, 2001
WHITETAIL DEER HOMEMADE MINERAL MIX RECIPE
Printable version
Ingredients: Makes 200 lbs. for about $23.00
1 part Di-calcium phosphate, this is a dairy feed additive bought at feed stores.
Comes in 50lb Bags at around $11.00 you need one bag.
2 parts Trace mineral salt, the red and loos kind without the medications.
Comes in 50lb Bags at around $5.00 you need two bags.
1 part Stock salt, ice cream salt.
Comes in 50lb Bags at around $2.00 you need one bag.
Directions:
-Use a 3 pound or similar size coffee can to use as your measure for each part of the mix.
-Mix all together well but not until read to use, keep ingredients separate until ready to put to use.
-Dig or tear up a circle in the soil about 36 inches wide and about 6 inches deep.
-Mix your mineral mixture with the soil.
Maintenance:
-Replenish in 6 months with fresh supply of mineral, and then each year there after.
Hope to see you in the woods this weekend. horntagger
This picture was taken June 30th of 2001 - The homemade mineral had been in this since late fall of 2000.
http://www.mosportsmen.com/land.htm#minrecip0 -
If ya plant tomatos out there I garantee you deer will come, worked in my garden :P 0 -
I don't think it would cause any problems. I tried this stuff when I was hunting up in NB, but i could never confirm that it helped in the least. If you can bait them, I'd go with apples as first choice ... and acorns as second ... or both!
Hunting close to water is a good deal, plus you get a good chance to see some nice tracks in the mud!0 -
Why not just put them in a pen and shoot them that way? MUCH EASIER!!!!!
I don't understand all this feeding the deer that people do!
That is NOT "sporting" imo.
Go out in the woods and just shoot the damned thing! Why do you need all this feed/grass/scents?
No one needed all this stuff until recently. You guys are suckers for buying all this crap!
Merc0 -
quote:Originally posted by redice
If ya plant tomatos out there I garantee you deer will come, worked in my garden :P
and what are you feeding your tomatoes?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mercury
Why not just put them in a pen and shoot them that way? MUCH EASIER!!!!!
I don't understand all this feeding the deer that people do!
That is NOT "sporting" imo.
Go out in the woods and just shoot the damned thing! Why do you need all this feed/grass/scents?
No one needed all this stuff until recently. You guys are suckers for buying all this crap!
Merc
Rules are there are not rules in SC for baiting Deer. There are so many of them ..0 -
quote:Originally posted by eboydell
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin...How many times have I told you that you worry too much. So it gets into the water supply, and millions of poor innocent children all die of"deer scent poison". So you screwed up, they should not have trusted the water. It is their fault...you can do no wrong! Repeat after me..."I can do no wrong! It is their fault!" Just keep saying this until you turn into another dick like me![;)]
ether bush has gotten to you or you are really george bush0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
quote:Originally posted by redice
If ya plant tomatos out there I garantee you deer will come, worked in my garden :P
and what are you feeding your tomatoes?
Nothing, planted them in my piet/sandy loam low area out back did really well till the deer found them, got a good 5 gal bucket or 2 worth of tomatos before the deer destroyed them.
I can't say the same for my potatos or corn corn did alright potatos didn't do squat.
Next year im gonna fence them in, but it didn't bother me this year since they lasted untill this week and next weekend is deer hunting
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Where I was hunting up in New Brunswick, you just don't see that many deer. So if you can legally tip the scales a bit by puting out some apples that I pick up off the ground (not costing a cent) and putting them in strategic places, why not?
I see nothing unethical about that. For the same reason I used a scope ... just to help me out! I also hunted from a safe home made deer stand. Why not? I tried to stay pretty still and quiet, too!0
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