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BAY PINES VA. HOSPITAL: Mark A. Surrett, an employee of Bay Pines Hospital suffered a heart attack in a building 200 feet from the emergency room of Bay Pines. Medics were called but were not allowed to take Mark to the Bay Pines emergency room because "He isnt a veteran", so the paramedics had to transport him to St. Pete General hospital 3 miles away. Mark died enroute to St. Pete General due to the lack of proper emergency care that could have been given him at Bay Pines.. Mark was 51 years old.
I thought it was the duty of all hospitals to treat emergency patients regardless of status and to at least treat them to the point where they are stable enough to be transported..
The law is posted in the hospital that I go to. "We must treat patients in case of emergency regardless of their ability to pay", or their status.
I thought it was the duty of all hospitals to treat emergency patients regardless of status and to at least treat them to the point where they are stable enough to be transported..
The law is posted in the hospital that I go to. "We must treat patients in case of emergency regardless of their ability to pay", or their status.
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They can't be refused once they are in, but I don't know about if they are not in. Perhaps a negligent homicide is in order for someone here. 0 -
I believe if a doctor is present he is obligated to provide what ever services he can until equal or better services are available. 0 -
"First of all, do no harm"
I'd think refusing medical care is the same as "doing harm"
But I'm no doctor.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
BAY PINES VA. HOSPITAL: Mark A. Surrett, an employee of Bay Pines Hospital suffered a heart attack in a building 200 feet from the emergency room of Bay Pines. Medics were called but were not allowed to take Mark to the Bay Pines emergency room because "He isnt a veteran", so the paramedics had to transport him to St. Pete General hospital 3 miles away. Mark died enroute to St. Pete General due to the lack of proper emergency care that could have been given him at Bay Pines.. Mark was 51 years old.
I thought it was the duty of all hospitals to treat emergency patients regardless of status and to at least treat them to the point where they are stable enough to be transported..
The law is posted in the hospital that I go to. "We must treat patients in case of emergency regardless of their ability to pay", or their status.
So he was good enough to work for the hospital, but not good enough to be treated there?
Whoever made the decision to send him away should get their ass handed to them.0 -
get this,,our hospital has a rehab facility which is on the 7th floor and the er is on the 2nd floor.
If a patient on any floor has a heart attack or respiratory trouble and they call out for help the er dr and nurses will go assist. but if it is a patient on the 7th floor the nurses on that floor has to call 911 for the ambulance to come and take the patient to the er.
Because they are leasing out the 7th floor and it is not part of the hospital,,,it would be like if it was located down the street.....now that is nutz,,,,,,,,[:0][:0][:0]0 -
quote:Originally posted by dawnie
get this,,our hospital has a rehab facility which is on the 7th floor and the er is on the 2nd floor.
If a patient on any floor has a heart attack or respiratory trouble and they call out for help the er dr and nurses will go assist. but if it is a patient on the 7th floor the nurses on that floor has to call 911 for the ambulance to come and take the patient to the er.
Because they are leasing out the 7th floor and it is not part of the hospital,,,it would be like if it was located down the street.....now that is nutz,,,,,,,,[:0][:0][:0]
Bingo!!!! we have a winner! Dawnie, you don't know how many times I hear an ambulance or FD paramedics being dispatched to our local hospital on the scanner. It's one of those things that make you think "WTH"?
Same thing here in CA.[V]0 -
as an EMT i was taught to take the patient to the nearest hospital no matter what 0 -
wow, my dad just came from the Bay Pines VA i think 1.5 weeks ago, we were in and out, except the stupid people behind the counter only seemed to work when some one in a suit walked by, except for the one white guy ont he end, he wasnt chatting, talking on the phone, ETC. he was sitting quietly pounding away ont he keyboard. My dads veteran card sat in the basket until one fo the suit wearing people came over and then the girl grabbed the card, and started working on it, it still only took about 15 minutes, but i was pissed this girl behind the counter had no respect for any of the patients in the hospital. 0 -
Belvidere, Illinois had a private hospital. They did stomach bypass surgeries there. Sign at the road said "Barrix Clinics". Everyone in town with a brain in their head knew it wasn't a real hospital.
Well, an illegal resident (from you guess where) beat up his baby. Mamma can't read English. She goes to the clinic during the night. She finds out there is no ER, just two night shift nurses. They closed the road brought in the helocopter and took the kid to Rockford. Kid nearly died.
Clinic agreed with the mayor to open an ER for those to stupid to find a GP or a real hospital. They got some beat-off Russian quack. Gov Blago taxed the crap out of the private hospital. State is the worst for malpractice insurance. Clinic and hospital closes down. Doctors move to Pennsylvania.
Guess we showed them!!!!
We showed them greedy doctor! How dare they try to make a profit off sick people.0 -
Looks like the nuts have escaped the nut house and are now incharge of the whole country. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Medics were called but were not allowed to take Mark to the Bay Pines emergency room because "He isnt a veteran", so the paramedics had to transport him to St. Pete General hospital 3 miles away.
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Bad bad call.
I see a legal storm brewing over this gross EMTALA violation.0 -
Well FIRST of all, what is this reporters definition of a heart attack? Did the patient have chest pain 200 feet from the ER? Did the patient have a full cardiac arrest 200 feet from the ER? What exactly was going on with this guy. As a Paramedic of 13 years I can tell you that if the guy died in the back of that ambulance during transport to a hospital 3 miles away, he would have died the same as if he were taken to that ER 200 feet away. Paramedics and doctors have virtually the same treatment procedures for chest pain, or cardiac arrest. The only difference would be that the doctor in the ER has more diagnostic tools than the Paramedic. Doctors do have more treatment options that are applicable only after the diagnostic results are available. And given the fact that these diagnostic tools take time, the outcome would have most likely been the same for this guy. 0 -
Final outcome could have been probably the same. Thats true.
However, in an open violation to federal law, Bay Pines refused to provide emergency services.
The outcome does not even matter.0 -
There is no excuse for the VA's actions.[:(!] 0
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