Tell me about gas fireplaces
We want to put a gas fireplace in a rental house. We have a brick wood burning fireplace there now.
We went to the big wood stove store in Asheville. They had a Golden Blount Texas Bonfire 24 inch for $569. They said the remote would be $105 more. This is a vented fireplace, you know, it has the fake logs and coals, it is a real good looking fake fire.
This price seems high. Does someone make a good gas fireplace for less money than this?
We went to the big wood stove store in Asheville. They had a Golden Blount Texas Bonfire 24 inch for $569. They said the remote would be $105 more. This is a vented fireplace, you know, it has the fake logs and coals, it is a real good looking fake fire.
This price seems high. Does someone make a good gas fireplace for less money than this?
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Yes they do, but first may I ask if you are the owner ofthe house, or are you renting it? The gas fireplace isn't goingto be your long term problem. It will be the cost of gas that is your concern. My in-laws have a gas fireplace. It is great and the heat will heat up the first floor pretty good, but their monthly heating bills, WOW! 0 -
We own the house. 0 -
If you can get a non-vented FP that would be better. ON a vented unit you burn about 65% of the gas, the other 35% goes out the flue.
On the other hand the non-vented burns 99.9% of the gas.
Caution: Get a gas specialist to install...Don't do it yourself!0 -
We have a non-vented propane gas log that we put in an existing log fireplace. Got ours at local Lowes. As far as costs, they come in all shapes, sizes, etc., just depends on your fireplace size and how bells and whistles you may want. If you are putting this in an old wood fireplace--cap the top of your chimney--don't just use the damper.
A tremendous amount of heat will be lost if you don't.0 -
i sure the heck wouldn't pay extra for a remote control you will have to constantly replace 0 -
We have a non-vented one that we use when we lose power.
Only drawback I see is the moisture it puts into the air. GALLONS!
Any single-pane window will drip water if it's very cool outside.
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I don't think I would put an open flame apparatus, other than a furnace in a closet, basement or attic, in a rent house. Places I have rented even had rules against burning candles in the lease. 0 -
I am looking at a non-vented for our house. However, after researching and reading some of your comments, I am concerned with installation issues, cost, moisture production and oxygen deprivation.
At first I thought I could install it myself no problemo. After reading the owner's manual on-line I am convinced that a professional install is mandatory.
I am beginning to doubt the worth of the endeavor.
Here is the one I am considering:
http://www.ventless-gas-logs.com/product_9_monessen_charred_timber_ventless_gas_logs-millivolt_control_remote_ready-18_24_or_30_inch-propane.html#photo0 -
I have had an Appalachian Stove LP fireplace for over 15 years. It works very well , never a serious problem. It has a wall mounted thermostat and works just like a regular heating unit, set your temp., it turns on and off. Has blower that can be set for different speeds. All automatic of course. Only drawback is it won't work if you lose electrical service. I've only had to replace the heat sink once, $10. The address is 329 Emma Rd., in Asheville. Don't know if they are still there but if so I highly recommend their product. 0 -
Back in the early 80's they started offering and advertising kerosene heaters that did not have to be vented. William Shatner of Star Trek was one of the spokespersons for one of the companies that offered such heaters. Kerosun was another. They claimed that you did not need to vent them.
Now all my life I have always thought that a fairly large, continus flame (kerosene, natural gas, LP gas, etc) had to be vented to the outside air because when you have a flame you have the by-products of a flame (carbon monoxide, carbon doxide, eetc).
Does anyone know about this question of safety that I have had for years?0 -
quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
I am looking at a non-vented for our house. However, after researching and reading some of your comments, I am concerned with installation issues, cost, moisture production and oxygen deprivation.
At first I thought I could install it myself no problemo. After reading the owner's manual on-line I am convinced that a professional install is mandatory.
I am beginning to doubt the worth of the endeavor.
Here is the one I am considering:
http://www.ventless-gas-logs.com/product_9_monessen_charred_timber_ventless_gas_logs-millivolt_control_remote_ready-18_24_or_30_inch-propane.html#photo
Couln't all of that have been said with
"I thought about it but decided against it".
Don0 -
In my house I have a little 20,000 BTU lp gas heater. It is wall mounted and it is unvented, it is not a fireplace deal, just a little, modern looking heater. I got it in dark brown so it doesn't stick out too badly.
I figured that the thing had to put out carbon monoxide. I bought the most expensive carbon monoxide detector at Home Depot, the Nighthawk. It is digital, cost $50.
On this meter, 50 means you have a problem and must shut off the heater. A reading of 200 means you will get terrible headaches, and will die in several hours.
A mark of 800 means you will be dead in 30 minutes.
I hung that thing on the wall above my heater on a cold day, and ran that heater all day, and it never even read 001. Never got above a zero.
These heaters HAVE to put out some carbon monoxide, but not very much.0 -
a fireplace, stove, wood burnner, propane, and or kerosene space heater all need to be vented, this can be done by as little as opening a window enough to insure adaquate replacement of the oxygene being depleted by the (heat source), if you getting condensation on the inside of windows that idicates that there is not enough incoming air to compensate for the oxygene being used.
I am an avid do it yourselfer, competant enough to have built my own home and done many, many remodeling jobs. This is the one one area that I would suggest that if you do-not have the expierence of doing this kind of work, ask somebody who does, and be sure to put a CO meter close to the heat source it could save your life.0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
In my house I have a little 20,000 BTU lp gas heater. It is wall mounted and it is unvented, it is not a fireplace deal, just a little, modern looking heater. I got it in dark brown so it doesn't stick out too badly.
I figured that the thing had to put out carbon monoxide. I bought the most expensive carbon monoxide detector at Home Depot, the Nighthawk. It is digital, cost $50.
On this meter, 50 means you have a problem and must shut off the heater. A reading of 200 means you will get terrible headaches, and will die in several hours.
A mark of 800 means you will be dead in 30 minutes.
I hung that thing on the wall above my heater on a cold day, and ran that heater all day, and it never even read 001. Never got above a zero.
These heaters HAVE to put out some carbon monoxide, but not very much.
Well, there you have it. The darn things are safe after all. Although if I get one I will always have a battery powered CO2 detector nearby.0 -
my biggest complaint with my non vented is they cover a lot of the mantle and things with a black soot 0 -
Foxie
You always want to have a CO detector with these things as Propane DOES NOT have that rotten egg smell.0 -
Propane DOES have the rotton egg smell. Its put in as the propane is loaded on the large semi trucks. I know because my last work assingment was in a propane storage / loading yard. Propane from the refinery has not much odor but when it leaves the storage area it stinks. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Johnnylikesguns
Propane DOES have the rotton egg smell. Its put in as the propane is loaded on the large semi trucks. I know because my last work assingment was in a propane storage / loading yard. Propane from the refinery has not much odor but when it leaves the storage area it stinks.
My propane does not have that smell at all. My non-vented fireplace has an oxygen depletion sensor (ODS) which will shut down the pilot and the gas if not enough fresh air is available, as most equipment of this type probably has now. Thats something that should be noted before I would buy any unvented heater.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jabronij3
my biggest complaint with my non vented is they cover a lot of the mantle and things with a black soot
Its not burning right if it does. Check the air inlet screen and clean the burner holes. I vacuum mine yearly. If flames appear higher or has unusual shapes burner holes need cleaning. This will cause soot to form. If burning right you will hardly have any.0 -
They cost between $2 and $6 an hour to burn, and are, for the most part, just for looks as all of the heat goes out the vent pipe. 0
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