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is this police over kill?

1911a1-fan
ok watch this video closely{after the stupid add}, look for a plain closed policeman in the street stopping a suv, notice what he is carrying

http://tinyurl.com/2qwv3j


now what you don't see, is several{many} other officers surround the hospital carrying similar weapons, the walgreens where the guy was shoplifting is only 1 block away, this is the department i have been talking about for several years now, i think locking down a hospital surrounding it like they did for a shop lifter is a bit much myself
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  • steeltoe1978
    If a member of your family was in that hospital when it happened, you'd probably think it wasn't overkill. [;)][:)]
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  • Rockatansky
    quote:Originally posted by steeltoe1978
    If a member of your family was in that hospital when it happened, you'd probably think it wasn't overkill. [;)][:)]


    Because of a shoplifter?
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  • Oklahoma223
    I carry an AR-15 with me everyday.
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  • steeltoe1978
    quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
    quote:Originally posted by steeltoe1978
    If a member of your family was in that hospital when it happened, you'd probably think it wasn't overkill. [;)][:)]


    Because of a shoplifter?


    Would you rather the police had come under-prepared? We all know now that he was a shoplifter... but the facts aren't known to everyone right away! Do you think that everyone in the hospital knew instantly that this guy was only a shoplifter when he came running through the doors? Do you think that all the police had all the facts right away when they were asked to respond? Most likely... they got told to respond to a "theft". That can mean many things.

    When I was a Search and Rescue Controller, we had a saying... "Hit it fast, and hit it hard."

    Bottom line is that the person was a criminal, he ran into the hospital, and the police got him.
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  • dheffley
    First, you carry what you're issued. I have no problem with that.

    Second, he ran, you never know why. Better to be prepared than not to be.

    Third, who knew if he was armed or not? Would you gamble your life on an assumption?

    Fourth, Looks to me like he broke the law and started the whole incident himself. All of these actions and the ones taken to capture him fall on his head, not the cops.

    Lastly, all he had to do was stop, and we don't know from the report if he tried to ram a cop or run over anyone, which would justify deadly force if needed.

    I don't see a problem with any of it, and I don't see where anyone was hurt by the actions of the police. What is there to be concerned about?
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  • MVP
    I don't see where it is police overkill.
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  • BarkingDog
    i went rock climbing once when i was in high school. we got up to about 45 feet off the ground and i wasnt scared but i knew a fall from that height would be fatal. we kept climbing. when we got to about 120 feet off the ground i got scared. i told my partner i was scared. he said "well falling from 45 ft and 120 ft are the same. you are going to die. so it doesnt really matter from here on up". i guess the same applies to weapons. what is the difference between a 9mm and a .308 ? both can kill you so i dont see how carry one over the other is considered "overkill". dead is dead. killed is killed. i dont think you ever get "over" it, lol.
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  • Rockatansky
    Using your logic, BarkingDog, we should then equip all police with Javelins and get over with it. Run from police -- get blown up to pieces.
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  • BarkingDog
    no and yes. we shouldnt shoot people who are running but if the determination has been made that a subject poses a threat to life then what ever method you need to use to kill him is fine with me as long as it doesnt cause undo suffering or risk to innocent bystanders.
    if the police are chasing a subject in a car and the subject is driving at a very high rate of speed and has already killed someone with his car then i think it would be appropriate to use a javelin or even a hell fire missle from an apache to take the car out.
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  • 1911a1-fan
    carrying what your issued is not the problem, but when to carry it is, there is no safe place in that area to make a shot


    no he did not try to ram the officer


    yes he did only try to shoplift, and was called in as such



    yes i have a relative that works there, along with a few friends that work there, i also have a in-law that works at the walgreens


    i was born in that hospital, i lived one block away in my youth through my late teens, i know every entrance/exit and hallway of that hospital , i can tell you these cops acted like they where hunting down a mass murderer giving no respect to anyone who stood in their way, and do not bow to them like children, these are the same cops i told you about in the past that tazzed an acquaintance while he was sleeping, the same ones who i saw filling a guys mouth with pepper foam till it came out his nose while handcuffed, i can write a entire page on the people i know including myself that has been in one way or another violated by these keystone cops, every time in the past you have read me complaining about any police officers this department is the reason, if it where not for this particular department i would have a totally different attitude towards police in general

    mark my words, you will see more of them in the future, they make the l.a. police department look like angels
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  • Rockatansky
    1911a1fan, can you pack that link into a tagged word or something, it's impossible to read anything.
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  • Crittergitter
    1911a1fan, this site works wonders for shrinking those loooong urls.

    www.tinyurl.com
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  • flyingtorpedo
    At least have the officer at the road block in uniform instead of street clothes.
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  • River Rat
    I have a problem with it, because cops (even un-uniformed) with ARs is more and more commonplace. I am concerned about the attitude. Yes, the bad guys are getting worse -- but is anybody concerned that America is starting to look like Venezuela, with cops armed like military? Sure, have it in the car if you need it, but until then you are Sheriff Andy. Was it overkill? Yes.
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  • 1911a1-fan
    sorry guys i'm on wide screen and forget
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  • Rockatansky
    Thanks!
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  • GUNFUNCO
    Once he fled in the vehicle, he committed a felony (or at least would have in my state).

    His actions were those of someone who seemed desperate. You never know what you will run into going after a bad guy. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

    Cops were justified but I would be concerned if I were holding a gun and not in uniform. Good way to get hit with friendly fire. That having been said, I have done it myself before as well but most of the cops know each other around where I live.
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  • dheffley
    I just don't see where anyone was hurt or damaged by the police, and no one knew if he was armed or not. Why get so bent about nothing happening?

    I don't see the problem.
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