Air Force quals..
Anybody know the current course of fire for Air Force qualifications?
A former stepdaughter of mine has been in the sandbox for a couple tours...and going back May next year.
She has had a bit of trouble with the M-16..Qualifing.
I know that she can shoot better then that..I think she is shooting right handed, and she is left-eye dominant.
I intend to break out an Ar-15 and see if I can tell what the trouble is..and she is more then willing.
I need to know what the targets are, ranges involved, and positions.
I will attempt to go dig this up somewhere..but the members here are a fountain of knowledge..so I am starting here.
A former stepdaughter of mine has been in the sandbox for a couple tours...and going back May next year.
She has had a bit of trouble with the M-16..Qualifing.
I know that she can shoot better then that..I think she is shooting right handed, and she is left-eye dominant.
I intend to break out an Ar-15 and see if I can tell what the trouble is..and she is more then willing.
I need to know what the targets are, ranges involved, and positions.
I will attempt to go dig this up somewhere..but the members here are a fountain of knowledge..so I am starting here.
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af quals on 25yd reduced man targets.
left eye dom? shoulder it left shoulder.
last time i checked she will do 3 positions.
standing, kneeling, standing to prone.
m16's have brass deflectors so you can shoot lefty all day.
keep the sling TIGHT.
breath control. sight alignment. squeeze.
zero that sucker down all the way.0 -
She tells me that the rifles have slings..but was never taught how to use it....???
I well remember wrapping up in that sucker till you thought your arm ran out of blood...another service, another time.
25 YARDS ???
Somebody sure screwed up..cause that girl at twelve could knock the eye out of a squirrel at 100 yards. I didn't get the chance to work with her enough.but she could shoot, back then.
Do you know..are they using the little shortie ? M-4, is it called ?0 -
In my experience, it was nearly impossible to correctly sight your weapon if you followed the CATM instructors' directions in the rounds allotted. The sights are cranked way off after each qual class and the instructors have you make some crazy adjustments to bring them back in. I missed expert, but did barely qualify on my first 2 sessions. Every year after that I acknowledged the instructors' guidance on adjustments and made my own. Weapon sighted with rounds remaining and I shot expert every year from then on.
Next time she's home on leave take her out to the range and re-teach her how to sight in a rifle.
JMHO...opinions may vary[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by scrumpyjack
In my experience, it was nearly impossible to correctly sight your weapon if you followed the CATM instructors' directions in the rounds allotted. The sights are cranked way off after each qual class and the instructors have you make some crazy adjustments to bring them back in. I missed expert, but did barely qualify on my first 2 sessions. Every year after that I acknowledged the instructors' guidance on adjustments and made my own. Weapon sighted with rounds remaining and I shot expert every year from then on.
Next time she's home on leave take her out to the range and re-teach her how to sight in a rifle.
JMHO...opinions may vary[;)]
DITT[:p]! Here's how the The Air Force M-16 Qualification Course goes ...
Good luck!
During the actual firing, you will fire a total of 80 rounds at a man-sized target (upper body only) at ranges from 75 meters to 300 meters (remember a "meter" is just a tad longer than a yard -- 1 meter = 1.094 yards). The range at Lackland is a "short" range, so you will actually be firing from only 25 yards away, however, the target sizes are "shrunk" to represent the proper sizes at the specified distances (75 meters, 175 meters, and 300 meters).
Here's how the shot groups break down:
Phase I -- Battle Sight Grouping and Zero. During this phase you are "sighting in" the rifle. After each shot group, you (and the instructor) will examine the target. The instructor will give you advice (breathing properly, jerking the trigger) to correct anything that you are doing wrong. Additionally, the instructor will tell you how to adjust your sights, to correct your grouping
All of the shots in Phase I are in the "prone, supported" position. That means you are lying on the ground, on your stomach at a slight angle to the target, with your rifle supported on top of a sandbag. The targets for this phase are all man-sized targets at 75 meters.
- 4 rounds (one magazine with 4 rounds loaded) at 75 meters. Check target and make sight adjustments.
- 3 rounds (one magazine with 3 rounds loaded) at 75 meters. Check target and make sight adjustments.
- 3 rounds (one magazine with 3 rounds loaded) at 75 meters. Check target and make sight adjustments.
- 3 rounds (one magazine with 3 rounds loaded) at 75 meters. Check target and make sight adjustments.
- 3 rounds (one magazine with 3 rounds loaded) at 75 meters. Check target and make sight adjustments.
- 16 Total Rounds
Phase II - Practice. During the practice phase you fire a total of 24 rounds from 4 different positions. A couple of twists are thrown in here -- first of all, each round is timed, and you'll have to reload a fresh magazine during the round. Keep you head, don't rush, as there is plenty of time to make your shots count, and still change the magazine and shoot again, within the prescribed time limit. During the practice round, you fire at a man-sized target at 175 meters.
- Prone Supported - 6 rounds (two magazines with 3 rounds loaded in each), at 175 meters. 50 second time limit.
- Prone Supported - 6 rounds (two magazines with 3 rounds loaded in each), at 175 meters. 50 second time limit.
- Kneeling Supported - 6 rounds (two magazines with 3 rounds loaded in each), at 175 meters. 50 second time limit.
- Over Barricade Supported - 6 rounds (two magazines with 3 rounds loaded in each), at 175 meters. 50 second time limit.
- 24 Total Rounds
Phase III - Qualification. This is the phase that really counts. You will fire a total of 40 rounds at a man-sized target at 300 meters. To pass the qualification course, you must hit the target at least 20 times. Those who hit the target at least 35 times qualify for the Small Arms Expert Ribbon.
- Prone Supported - 10 rounds (one 4-round magazine, two 3-round magazines), at 300 meters. 90 second time limit.
- Prone Unsupported - 10 rounds (one 4-round magazine, two 3-round magazines), at 300 meters. 90 second time limit.
- Kneeling Supported - 10 rounds (one 4-round magazine, two 3-round magazines), at 300 meters. 90 second time limit.
- Over Barricade Supported - 10 rounds (one 4-round magazine, two 3-round magazines), at 300 meters. 90 second time limit.
- 40 Total Rounds
BTW, I too am right handed and left eye dominant. My son shot 38/40 during his basic training.0 -
atta boy feenix.[^] 0 -
navy:
200yds - 10 single rounds, standing OH, SF, 10 minutes.
200yds - 10 rounds MAG 2 & 8, stand to sit RF 60 sec.
300yds - 10 rounds MAG 2 & 8, stand to prone RF 60sec.
600yds - 20 single rounds, SF, 20 minutes.
GO NAVY[^][8D]0 -
Thanks, guys..that gives me something to..ehhh...shoot for.
Listening to this young woman telling the tale..she must have been on the reduced course..something about '6 targets in a row'...
I haven't spoken to her for a couple years, and it was a bit difficult to pry info out of her about the quals..she is sensitve about it. We shall see what we can do about THAT aspect.get her to fire expert would be good, I reckon.
She is doing something called "Combat communications"..and in the hot zones. Didn't want to talk about it..and I didn't pry.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
navy:
200yds - 10 single rounds, standing OH, SF, 10 minutes.
200yds - 10 rounds MAG 2 & 8, stand to sit RF 60 sec.
300yds - 10 rounds MAG 2 & 8, stand to prone RF 60sec.
600yds - 20 single rounds, SF, 20 minutes.
GO NAVY[^][8D]There's actually no rifle training at all in Navy boot camp. Been that way for many years.0 -
My daughter has been in the AF for just on two years now...she said that at Lackland during BMT, the weapons were so over-lubed and loose that she had grease spatter on her glasses (yes, the "Birth Control" uglies) and her BDUs...
I'll ask to see if she has been back to qualify again...0 -
who said bootcamp?
san diego use to be .22 bolt rifle 3 position on 25yd indoor course. it went by the wayside decades ago.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
who said bootcamp?
san diego use to be .22 bolt rifle 3 position on 25yd indoor course. it went by the wayside decades ago.I guess I should've said there's actually no rifle training at all even in Navy boot camp.
I don't know where the course of fire you posted came from, but it's nowhere near the Navy's current standard rifle course. With the exception of SpecOps types (and possibly NIS) they qualify at 25 meters on 200 meter reduced size targets. According to everyone I've spoke with the regs allow for this course to be fired on a full 200 meter range, but I haven't talked to anyone who's actually had to do this.
According to these same people they're given 5 minutes for 5rds. at only 200 meters. I guess they're figuring in time for a smoke break. [:D]0
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