Veterans Saluting.
Received this from our VFW Command in my email. I guess I was wrong before as I always saluted the Flag at parades and funerals, ect. or just passing by our colors.
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) today praised the
passage by unanimous consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to
allow veterans and servicemen not in uniform to salute the flag. Current
law (US Code Title 4, Chapter 1) states that veterans and servicemen not
in uniform should place their hand over their heart without clarifying
whether they can or should salute the flag.
"The salute is a form of honor and respect, representing pride in one's
military service," Senator Inhofe
said. "Veterans and service members continue representing the military
services even when not in uniform. "Unfortunately, current U.S. law leaves
confusion as to whether veterans and service members out of uniform can or
should salute the flag. My legislation will clarify this regulation,
allowing veterans and servicemen alike to salute the flag, whether they
are in uniform or not. "I look forward to seeing those who have served
saluting proudly at baseball games, parades, and formal events. I believe
this is an appropriate way to honor and recognize the 25 million veterans
in the United States who have served in the military and remain as role
models to others citizens. Those who are currently
serving or have served in the military have earned this right, and
their recognition will be an inspiration to others."
This Bill was passed July 25, 2007.
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) today praised the
passage by unanimous consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to
allow veterans and servicemen not in uniform to salute the flag. Current
law (US Code Title 4, Chapter 1) states that veterans and servicemen not
in uniform should place their hand over their heart without clarifying
whether they can or should salute the flag.
"The salute is a form of honor and respect, representing pride in one's
military service," Senator Inhofe
said. "Veterans and service members continue representing the military
services even when not in uniform. "Unfortunately, current U.S. law leaves
confusion as to whether veterans and service members out of uniform can or
should salute the flag. My legislation will clarify this regulation,
allowing veterans and servicemen alike to salute the flag, whether they
are in uniform or not. "I look forward to seeing those who have served
saluting proudly at baseball games, parades, and formal events. I believe
this is an appropriate way to honor and recognize the 25 million veterans
in the United States who have served in the military and remain as role
models to others citizens. Those who are currently
serving or have served in the military have earned this right, and
their recognition will be an inspiration to others."
This Bill was passed July 25, 2007.
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There's a good bill...I've always been unsure of what I can/should do. 0 -
Since transfering back to CivLant, I did the hand over my heart thing when appropriate. This bill will sure clarify and ammend a custom. 0 -
All the time I was growing up every adult male I knew always saluted
the flag no matter where it was paraded. Some had their hand over
their heart and some saluted. They didn't need a bill for clarification. Seems like things started changing in the 60's and
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My instinct has always been to salute, but putting my hand over my heart didn't feel right either. Finally! I like this Bill! 0 -
I don't get the big deal.
The U.S. Navy does not salute when uncovered. As a veteran-American, it would feel wrong to leave a ballcap on when the flag passes, and it would feel wrong to salute without a cover. Therefore, I have, and will continue to place my hand on my heart.
Congress should spend more time closing the borders and less time trying to curry favor with veterans who have nothing better to do than to worry about when to salute.
A veteran is a civilian, and should place his hand over their heart like a civilian, regardless of what some feel-good bill states. Servicemen not in uniform should do the same.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I don't get the big deal.
The U.S. Navy does not salute when uncovered. As a veteran-American, it would feel wrong to leave a ballcap on when the flag passes, and it would feel wrong to salute without a cover. Therefore, I have, and will continue to place my hand on my heart.
Congress should spend more time closing the borders and less time trying to curry favor with veterans who have nothing better to do than to worry about when to salute.
A veteran is a civilian, and should place his hand over their heart like a civilian, regardless of what some feel-good bill states. Servicemen not in uniform should do the same.
Guess you must have left your pride when you left the military. This would also be a good indication of those who served. That's something to be proud of.0 -
[8D]--I don't give a rusty--what the law says--
--I've saluted old glory for nigh onto 50 years, before Navy and after--
--Thats my story and I'm sticking to it--
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i tend to be with don mcmannus on this one.
what makes america unique is that it was the first country to put away the spear and return to plow sheers in the world. when the uniform is RETIRED its RETIRED.
im a civilian now.
i abide by civilian rules.
i like civilian rules.
i didnt drag my military customs into civilian life.
whats next? retirees get to wear their uniforms at ballparks or when shopping the PX or NEX?[8]
heck....he changed the law, yet 9/10th of the population doesnt even remain silent or pay attention during the anthem or when a flag goes by.
heres my take....the salute is sharp clean and respected act. it goes in unison with a SHARP CLEAN and RESPECTED UNIFORM.
sorry bubba, your flip flops and open arm t-shirts with pladd bermudas is NOT respect to the salute OR THE FLAG. id be ashamed to salute old glory dressed in anything BUT A UNIFORM.[;)]
a VFW uniform is a UNIFORM. dockers and button shirt is NOT.
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Hello Friends,
I also agree with McManuss on this one. I proudly served in the United States Navy for 20 years and - since my retirment whenever the occasion called for it - I have always stood at attention and placed my right hand over my heart to render honors to old glory.
As someone mentioned in a previous post, the "Navy" does not hand salute when "uncovered". I would not even know where to place the tips of my fingers without a cover for a guide.
Lets leave the "hand salutes" to those in "proper" uniform
Machinist Mate 1St Class, United States Navy, (1982- 2002) (retired)0 -
quote:Originally posted by OldNavyGuy
Lets leave the "hand salutes" to those in "proper" uniform
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I need to blow my nose..Anyone know where I need to look in the laws to tell me how I can do it legally? Don't you ever get fed up with laws? Damn!!!!
The idea with the flag is to show your respect. Civilians have been taught to hold their right hand over their heart, and that's fine. In fact, that's just hunky dorry great, for crying out loud.
We military boobs were told in no uncertain terms to salute. Me, I'm gonna salute, but if I decide to show my respect for that great and wonderful banner by taking off my shoes and wiggling my toes, that's my damned business. I don't need any stinking laws, and I don't need my mama to instruct me.0 -
I think it's a matter of which service you belong to. Army salutes uncovered, indoors, and in PT gear (which they seem to wear all day whether they PT or not). Marines and Sailors don't salute unless in uniform, under arms, and/or covered. It's the same way when saluting the Colors. When in civilian attire, we abide by the standards: remove hat, stand at attention with hand over heart. It's pretty simple. 0 -
Quote: " heres my take....the salute is sharp clean and respected act. it goes in unison with a SHARP CLEAN and RESPECTED UNIFORM. ".
I'm afraid that most of my time in the 3rd I.D in France, Germany ETC
we didnt have very sharp or clean uniforms and once in a while we did salute. Here is 3 of us not looking very sharp. Even the Sarge is mud up to his knees also. A sharp or clean uniform does not make a soldier
or keep him from saluting when practical or neceessary. I for one am glad such a law was passed. I for one feel I earned the right to hand salute the flag. Even now as a civilian who only served in wartime.
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if you are in combat, the dirt and mud and blood is part of the uniform. think it out. [;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by sarge_3ad
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I don't get the big deal.
The U.S. Navy does not salute when uncovered. As a veteran-American, it would feel wrong to leave a ballcap on when the flag passes, and it would feel wrong to salute without a cover. Therefore, I have, and will continue to place my hand on my heart.
Congress should spend more time closing the borders and less time trying to curry favor with veterans who have nothing better to do than to worry about when to salute.
A veteran is a civilian, and should place his hand over their heart like a civilian, regardless of what some feel-good bill states. Servicemen not in uniform should do the same.
Guess you must have left your pride when you left the military. This would also be a good indication of those who served. That's something to be proud of.
If burning the flag is ok, why is saluting (vs. covering your hear) of great importance? I'd say do whatever moves you.0 -
Hey guy, make up your mind, which did you mean... "Quote: " heres my take....the salute is sharp clean and respected act. it goes in unison with a SHARP CLEAN and RESPECTED UNIFORM. "." or " if you are in combat, the dirt and mud and blood is part of the uniform." A respected uniform is more important than being just "sharp and clean". Sharp and clean uniforms dont show me much in wartime. We had too damn many sharp and clean uniformed people in uniform. 0 -
Come ta thank on it Joe..Iffn I recomembers correckly, the cleaner and neater you wuz the more useless you wuz.. 0 -
We'll see what happens. The House of Representatives still have to vote on it and the President still has to sign it.
Let's address the issue of not having a proper cover. The military still renders the hand salute to the flag and to officers when in their respective branch's respective physical fitness uniform. You're not wearing a cover when you're in the physical fitness uniform so that's pretty much a moot argument IMHO. It's a uniform but it's a t-shirt that says "ARMY" and a pair of black shorts and running shoes.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
if you are in combat, the dirt and mud and blood is part of the uniform. think it out. [;)]
Flip-flopping like a fish out of water.0 -
quote:Originally posted by idsman75
We'll see what happens. The House of Representatives still have to vote on it and the President still has to sign it.
Let's address the issue of not having a proper cover. The military still renders the hand salute to the flag and to officers when in their respective branch's respective physical fitness uniform. You're not wearing a cover when you're in the physical fitness uniform so that's pretty much a moot argument IMHO. It's a uniform but it's a t-shirt that says "ARMY" and a pair of black shorts and running shoes.
They used to be gray...0 -
I like the bill. I have never felt comfortable just putting my hand over my heart... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by oldgunner
I need to blow my nose..Anyone know where I need to look in the laws to tell me how I can do it legally? Don't you ever get fed up with laws? Damn!!!!
The idea with the flag is to show your respect. Civilians have been taught to hold their right hand over their heart, and that's fine. In fact, that's just hunky dorry great, for crying out loud.
We military boobs were told in no uncertain terms to salute. Me, I'm gonna salute, but if I decide to show my respect for that great and wonderful banner by taking off my shoes and wiggling my toes, that's my damned business. I don't need any stinking laws, and I don't need my mama to instruct me.
Just dont go doing any burnouts in any rental cars there outlaw!!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by ECC
I like the bill. I have never felt comfortable just putting my hand over my heart...
Yes, I was once issued the gray sweatsuit, shorts and t-shirt.
Now every piece of the outfit has reflective material incorporated into the logos. The track-suit-style warm-up jacket and pants are much more comfortable and the new shorts don't chafe as much because they don't absorb sweat. Real comfy and much more stylish. It was part of the Army's image transformation. You are now authorized to incorporate elements of the Army physical fitness uniform with civilian clothing. They made the stuff a bit more stylish so that people would do so. Walking billboards.0 -
quote:Originally posted by idsman75
We'll see what happens. The House of Representatives still have to vote on it and the President still has to sign it.
Let's address the issue of not having a proper cover. The military still renders the hand salute to the flag and to officers when in their respective branch's respective physical fitness uniform. You're not wearing a cover when you're in the physical fitness uniform so that's pretty much a moot argument IMHO. It's a uniform but it's a t-shirt that says "ARMY" and a pair of black shorts and running shoes.
Negative. The army salutes the flag in PT gear. Not the Marine Corps, and I'm pretty sure not the Navy either.0 -
Respect it anyway you feel is appropiate. Geez, how many people know the flag code? How many people do you see at ball games chuckin and jivin when the National Anthem is played? Heart or above the brow, just respect it. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jimbowby
[8D]--I don't give a rusty--what the law says--
--I've saluted old glory for nigh onto 50 years, before Navy and after--
--Thats my story and I'm sticking to it--
----JIMBO
I criminal for 50 years WOW. Thank god if the bill passes you won't be a law breaker any more.0 -
PT UNIFORM ????
When I was in, the PT uniform was fatigues and combat boots.
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quote:Originally posted by alltheway
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
quote:Originally posted by idsman75
We'll see what happens. The House of Representatives still have to vote on it and the President still has to sign it.
Let's address the issue of not having a proper cover. The military still renders the hand salute to the flag and to officers when in their respective branch's respective physical fitness uniform. You're not wearing a cover when you're in the physical fitness uniform so that's pretty much a moot argument IMHO. It's a uniform but it's a t-shirt that says "ARMY" and a pair of black shorts and running shoes.
Negative. The army salutes the flag in PT gear. Not the Marine Corps, and I'm pretty sure not the Navy either.
Got a problem with the Army, huh?
You don't know what the fock you're talking about.
I don't know that I indicated a problem with the army. I just stated that they salute while in PT gear, but that the USMC does not. And as for not knowing what I'm talking about, I bet there's nobody here who's knows current USMC rules and regs like I do, and if there is, I'm sure they'll back me up.0 -
"Just dont go doing any burnouts in any rental cars there outlaw!!!!"
Oh I won't phillip, I promise. I'll also do my best not to harm any other property that doesn't belong to me.0 -
I grew up saluting the flag and using "one nation indivisible" in the Pledge of Allegiance. I've been uncomfortable with and don't like the hand over heart, which isn't a salute, and the substitution of "under God" which is a change to the original, I've used very often up to my Army days.
Hat or no hat, I've saluted when the occasion called for it.
As a traditionalist and a veteran, I prefer the hand to brow salute and the original Pledge wording.0
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