Winchesters.......The refurbs are approaching
the originals in price. Here is one that has been totally refurbished and will do what an original does....?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=75965245
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=75965245
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Personally I'm not a fan of arguement that refinish firearms are a bad idea.... I like them, and after all it is up to the buyer as to whether it is worth the price or not.... 0 -
myself I owuld rather have a refurb. but Im not a collector Im shooter [:D][:D] as long as its safe I dont care if its been redune or not.Now if Im buying to resell then thats another storie.
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Never have been a collector, I wouldn't know if that gun had been refurbished. It is beautiful. I guess if that's the going price and (HUGE if, here) if I had hundred dollar bills just falling out my ass, I'd have that sweet-looking little Winchester. I've always been a fool for 410's. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cartod
the originals in price. Here is one that has been totally refurbished and will do what an original does....?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=75965245
Within the WINCHESTER collecting fraternity, refurbished/refinished guns do not sell for anywhere near what an original finish gun is worth. Only fools and ignorant people will pay exaggerated prices for refinished Winchesters[V].0 -
Bert - My finish/value experience comes from 50s and 60s vintage Porsches, and while Original is best, many are happy with repaint to original specs (original color per factory build sheet), etc. But then the Outlaw (who cares about original) groups build up some very nice cars that have lots of value ($) as well...
To keep it on topic, how about a nice pic or two of a refinished '94?
Still wondering about value before I list it...0 -
quote:Originally posted by iwannausername
Bert - My finish/value experience comes from 50s and 60s vintage Porsches, and while Original is best, many are happy with repaint to original specs (original color per factory build sheet), etc. But then the Outlaw (who cares about original) groups build up some very nice cars that have lots of value ($) as well...
To keep it on topic, how about a nice pic or two of a refinished '94? Still wondering about value before I list it...
Old cars are not the same as old guns as it applies to repainting/rebuilding versus refinishing[:0]. There is a market for refinished guns, but it is not the same group of people as the diehard collectors, and the latter group definitely has more $$$$ than the other if you catch my drift.
As for your gun, list it at a comfortable starting price ($350 or so), and then let the market decide how much it is worth. I personally have no idea what a non-factory finished Model 94 will sell for. As I said before, it is a nice looking gun, and whomever it was that refinished and nickel plated it, they did a real quality job. Good luck with selling it.0 -
Bert, as I watch this refinished 42 continue to climb on the above auction, I wonder something. Since the factory has closed its doors and Winchester collectors continue to grow, wont the value of a refinished winchesters also grow? Especially when these new collectors cant find an original gun. I am seeing more and more nicely refinished 42's and 21's bringing the money. 0 -
the closing of usra winchester recently has absolutley no effect on the value and selling prices of 42's and 21's today. the winchester plant of historic fame that made those guns has been closed and off production for decades. i/e: the last 42 was made in 1963.
refurb'ed guns is what the historical gun assoc. do. they take crapola guns, refurb them, gold plate them, and engrave them as collectibles with a limited run. you know...all those 1911a1 commemorative ads in nra? exactly.
what people forget about finish on winchesters, or any gun for that matter is....finish is 1/2 the selling point of the gun. if a gun is beat to crap, odds are, it was used heavily. AND, if it can be traced to say an alaskan trapper, the STORY of its life becomes a selling point. BUT, take a ww2 m1 that saw action on iwo jima, fill in the notches and reblue the metal...and try to pass it off as an original ww2 m1, it wont fly for 2 reasons, 1. its ruined. 2. a gun used in action wouldnt be perfect. the HISTORY of the gun was lost.
all these factors play heavily on values and prices.
if i could, id like to coin a phrase used by a very well known winchester man on this website, he told me many times, "bob, if youre gonna spend money on refinishing a winchester, when your done, youll have a nice looking worn out winchester. if youre gonna refinish it, REBUILD IT TOO."
basically, there a lot of nice looking junkers out there. buyer beware.
and from the car standpoint, unless ive forgotten my BMW 2002 collecting days, a car that is refinsihed and repainted automatically means.....someones HIDING SOMETHING. get out the magnet and look for BONDO.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by cartod
Bert, as I watch this refinished 42 continue to climb on the above auction, I wonder something. Since the factory has closed its doors and Winchester collectors continue to grow, wont the value of a refinished winchesters also grow? Especially when these new collectors cant find an original gun. I am seeing more and more nicely refinished 42's and 21's bringing the money.
The recent closure of the U.S. Repeating Arms Co. (U.S.R.A.Co.) caused a jump in the prices of their products (with the trademarked Winchester name stamped on them). However, it did not cause the values of the pre-64 Winchesters to change by any noticable amount. Both the Model 42 and 21 are in that category. I believe that the root cause for the collector value to go for them (including the restored or refinished guns) is simply because they were both relatively low production models. It is a case where "supply and demand" is the controlling issue. On the high production models (e.g. the 1892/92, 1894/94, 1912/12, etc.), there is still much more "supply" than there is "demand", hence the value for a refinished specimen will continue to be very low.
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I will second Bert. While I may admire the work done by a fine restorer, and the work on the '94 appears appears choice, I would not pay what I might for the original finish. I am probably not always savy enough to determine whether a firearm has been refinished along the way, but I know who to ask. While that '94 would not temp me as a collectable, it really is a fine looking rifle and would likely make a great and handsome shooter. I expect it will do well.
The price on the model 42? Well like the man said, there is one born every minute, but if the buyer has the money and he is happy, my opinion is worth what he paid for it.0
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