tragedy in Noble, OK
Noble boy killed by stray bullet
August 4, 2007
NOBLE, Okla. (AP) - Officials in Noble say a 5-year-old boy was shot and killed by an apparent stray bullet fired by a police officer attempting to kill a snake.
Jack Tracy says he was fishing with his 5-year-old grandson -- Austin Haley -- yesterday evening when he saw the first shot hit the water near where they were standing. As he pulled his grandson to his side, he says a second shot hit the boy in the head.
Noble City Manager Bob Wade says police received a complaint last night from residents in a subdivision about a snake.
When officers responded, they decided to shoot the snake. A few minutes later, Wade says there was a commotion in a wooded area behind them where the boy apparently was hit by the stray bullet.
Austin was transported to an Oklahoma City hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
Wade refused to identify the officer suspected of firing the shots but says the officer has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation.
August 4, 2007
NOBLE, Okla. (AP) - Officials in Noble say a 5-year-old boy was shot and killed by an apparent stray bullet fired by a police officer attempting to kill a snake.
Jack Tracy says he was fishing with his 5-year-old grandson -- Austin Haley -- yesterday evening when he saw the first shot hit the water near where they were standing. As he pulled his grandson to his side, he says a second shot hit the boy in the head.
Noble City Manager Bob Wade says police received a complaint last night from residents in a subdivision about a snake.
When officers responded, they decided to shoot the snake. A few minutes later, Wade says there was a commotion in a wooded area behind them where the boy apparently was hit by the stray bullet.
Austin was transported to an Oklahoma City hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
Wade refused to identify the officer suspected of firing the shots but says the officer has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation.
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Proper police response to a snake in a bush:
1. Identify the snake to determine if it is poisonous.
2. If it is, kill it with a hoe, shovel, or stick.
Manslaughter is a pretty good charge for these guys. I hope they serve five years in prison.
If that were my son I would be a very dangerous man at this time.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Cutiegirlracing
You would think a cop would know better, but I wasn't there so I really can't give judgement. But nevertheless it's very sad that anyone especially a child was killed.
Why would a cop necessarily know better? The caliber of people being hired as police officers these days is pathetic.0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Proper police response to a snake in a bush:
1. Identify the snake to determine if it is poisonous.
2. If it is, kill it with a hoe, shovel, or stick.
Manslaughter is a pretty good charge for these guys. I hope they serve five years in prison.
If that were my son I would be a very dangerous man at this time.
Believe it or not... The copperhead is considered a beneficial snake and the proper and accepted method is catch alive and relocate.... Which I'm afraid that most haven't got the nadz to do!!!! But that is the "acceptable" practice!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Chris8161
quote:Originally posted by Cutiegirlracing
You would think a cop would know better, but I wasn't there so I really can't give judgement. But nevertheless it's very sad that anyone especially a child was killed.
Why would a cop necessarily know better? The caliber of people being hired as police officers these days is pathetic.
There you go.... I couldn't agree more..0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Proper police response to a snake in a bush:
1. Identify the snake to determine if it is poisonous.
2. If it is, kill it with a hoe, shovel, or stick.
Manslaughter is a pretty good charge for these guys. I hope they serve five years in prison.
If that were my son I would be a very dangerous man at this time.
Allen if while you were whacking that snake with that hoe, it slipped out of your hands and killed a kid would you be a murderer or even a dumbAZZ! I wonder!!!0 -
"Believe it or not... The copperhead is considered a beneficial snake and the proper and accepted method is catch alive and relocate.... Which I'm afraid that most haven't got the nadz to do!!!! But that is the "acceptable" practice!!!"
Don't get me wrong. I like all of the animals, including snakes, and I don't kill snakes, unless it is a copperhead in my yard, which could severely harm, or kill, one of my pets.
But, the police response must be different. Their job is to protect the citizenry. If they are called out by 911 to deal with a poisonous snake, they have to kill it. I am not trained in safely catching and relocating poisonous snakes, and neither are the police.0 -
The last copperhead I killed was 35 yrs ago...I killed it with a rock....
I reckon if my aim was bad I could have hit someone in the head and knocked his freaking brains out. this could conceivably happen with any item you choose to dispatch the critter...
The botton line here is over kill and since the recommended procedure for dealing with a Copperhead is in fact Catch and relocate... it would seem that I and most of you are pretty much as stupid as these freaking cops....0 -
"If they are called out by 911 to deal with a poisonous snake, they have to kill it."
No they will kill it...but they do not have to!!! Fear Baby fear!!! That is your killer!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Da-Tank
WTH ,,,Don't they have a shotgun in the squad car?
Thats not only wrong, but also stupid.
Now live with that!! Officer.
+1
shooting at a snake with a handgun??
Idiot, hope he gets cornholed in prison for this[}:)]0 -
"If they are called out by 911 to deal with a poisonous snake, they have to kill it."
No they will kill it...but they do not have to!!! Fear Baby fear!!! That is your killer!!!
The police are not trained in the techniques to safely catch and relocate poisonous snakes. Therefore they should not attempt to catch the snake.
Once the police have been called out to deal with a poisonous snake, they are therefore obliged to kill it. What if the police just left the snake alone, and told everybody to go home and the snake would just go back into the woods? A half hour later a ten year old kid would go out there, poke the snake with a stick, and he would get bitten by the copperhead. The police would then look like a bunch of idiots. The city would lose millions in a lawsuit.
If you were the police chief, would you tell your officers to catch and relocate the snake, or would you tell them to kill it? Remember, your job is on the line.
I killed a copperhead last year in my yard. Yes I am afraid of a copperhead, because it could hurt me badly. This fear of danger is a sign that I am intelligent.
I live way out in the woods, and if I did not have pets, I would have left the snake alone. I can see to it that the snake would not bite me. I have two cats and two small dogs. That snake could have probably killed a cat, and put a massive hurt on a dog. My pets look up to me to protect them and I do a good job of it.0 -
Here is the police shooting a critter story you should be concerned about!!!
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/South/01/08/shot.dog/index.html0 -
And this one as well..
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/01/08/police.kill.dog/index.html0 -
At least this one didn't use a gun!!
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/950430 -
And the coup de grasse
http://ny.mpp.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=grKMIYPGIqE&b=1773617&ct=29478910 -
This is just a sad thing every way you look at it. You have the loss of a child....an officer who thought he was doing something along the lines of what is required of him as his job to assist the public....and then public outrage that seems to be focused in a direction that will do nothing but get everyone in a mob-like state rather than saying "how do we prevent these things from happening?"
Everyone going on and on about how wrong the officer was isn't what is needed....more training by people who know firearms is what these officers need. AND ITS NOT JUST THE "ROOKIES!" I have had many people in uniform in our store who seem to know more about the life-cycle of a gnat that they do any type of firearm....ballistics....types of rounds and what they are best suited for....they need to be taught these things....not just qualify at a range, strap on a model 92 and get in a car. (which is what happens way too often)
Lets stop ranting about an officer who made a horrific mistake and start ranting about the over-budgeted system we have that isn't training our officers.0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
"If they are called out by 911 to deal with a poisonous snake, they have to kill it."
No they will kill it...but they do not have to!!! Fear Baby fear!!! That is your killer!!!
The police are not trained in the techniques to safely catch and relocate poisonous snakes. Therefore they should not attempt to catch the snake.
Once the police have been called out to deal with a poisonous snake, they are therefore obliged to kill it. What if the police just left the snake alone, and told everybody to go home and the snake would just go back into the woods? A half hour later a ten year old kid would go out there, poke the snake with a stick, and he would get bitten by the copperhead. The police would then look like a bunch of idiots. The city would lose millions in a lawsuit.
If you were the police chief, would you tell your officers to catch and relocate the snake, or would you tell them to kill it? Remember, your job is on the line.
I killed a copperhead last year in my yard. Yes I am afraid of a copperhead, because it could hurt me badly. This fear of danger is a sign that I am intelligent.
I live way out in the woods, and if I did not have pets, I would have left the snake alone. I can see to it that the snake would not bite me. I have two cats and two small dogs. That snake could have probably killed a cat, and put a massive hurt on a dog. My pets look up to me to protect them and I do a good job of it.
That is funny....Cats are faster than snakes...You cat has better odds vs the snake that you do!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
This is just a sad thing every way you look at it. You have the loss of a child....an officer who thought he was doing something along the lines of what is required of him as his job to assist the public....and then public outrage that seems to be focused in a direction that will do nothing but get everyone in a mob-like state rather than saying "how do we prevent these things from happening?"
Everyone going on and on about how wrong the officer was isn't what is needed....more training by people who know firearms is what these officers need. AND ITS NOT JUST THE "ROOKIES!" I have had many people in uniform in our store who seem to know more about the life-cycle of a gnat that they do any type of firearm....ballistics....types of rounds and what they are best suited for....they need to be taught these things....not just qualify at a range, strap on a model 92 and get in a car. (which is what happens way too often)
Lets stop ranting about an officer who made a horrific mistake and start ranting about the over-budgeted system we have that isn't training our officers.
Holy crap...for once we agree...it's a freaking miracle!!!0 -
Shhhhh.....don't tell anyone.[:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
And the coup de grasse...ROFLMAO [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
I assume you meant coup de grace ("death blow" in French). Instead you said something about a fatty blow. Seriously.
No language Nazi, it was just too good to pass up.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
And the coup de grasse...ROFLMAO [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
I assume you meant coup de grace ("death blow" in French). Instead you said something about a fatty blow. Seriously.
No language Nazi, it was just too good to pass up.
Actually it refers to a recent brand of perfume that shall we say the majority felt it smelled like ****......Been in the news for a while!!!!0 -
All in a row...quote:Originally posted by tobefree
Here is the police shooting a critter story you should be concerned about!!!
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/South/01/08/shot.dog/index.html
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
And this one as well..
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/01/08/police.kill.dog/index.html
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
And yet another
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/11/AR2006091101440.html
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
At least this one didn't use a gun!!
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/95043
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
And the coup de grasse
http://ny.mpp.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=grKMIYPGIqE&b=1773617&ct=2947891
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quote:Originally posted by tobefree
Actually it refers to a recent brand of perfume that shall we say the majority felt it smelled like ****......Been in the news for a while!!!![?][?]
This stab at a recovery is the only one that brings to mind something that smells...[:D]
C'mon man, you accidentally said something funny. It's okay to laugh at yourself.0 -
quote:Believe it or not... The copperhead is considered a beneficial snake and the proper and accepted method is catch alive and relocate.... Which I'm afraid that most haven't got the nadz to do!!!! But that is the "acceptable" practice!!!
Actually, that turns out not to be true. If you move them far enough that they do not return to their home range, they die anyway because they simply do not know the ropes in a new area. They are not familiar with shelter areas, food resources and the location of water. Predators pick them off. We have little hard data at this point, but what we have indicates translocation = death. With Gila monsters it has been shown that those released 1 kilometer or less from the collection point simply go home. Those released more than a kilometer from their collection point, die. 100% die.0
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