Glock hate
I see alot of Glock hate on this forum. Why? I own several Glocks and they are the least finnicky gun I own. They aren't pretty I'll give you that, however their performance is amazing. Not one of my Glocks has jammed on me. I can't say the same for my Colt Defender, Sig P-220, or my wifes XD. They require very little attention. They are accurate also.
Give me one good reason why they aren't solid firearms.
Give me one good reason why they aren't solid firearms.
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I have owned several Glocks and all operated flawlessly. I get a kick out of this site. just the mention of Glock seems to have the same effect as saying SaxonPig, kinda fun. I know what I got with my Glock and really don't care what everyone else thinks, Ironic, one of the first main stream polymer guns, and now they are all making them. But Glocks are still junk right. 0 -
I love my Glock. Best gun I ever owned. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
But Glocks are still junk right.
Mine was, and a lot of the early ones were too. Glockies want to deny it, but it doesn't change the truth.
Have you ever run over any gun with a truck, buried it in the sand for a month, or shot it with a .22?0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
SIGs work when dry and Glocks don't.
Negative.
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=505097
Sigs are known to need oil to run smoothly.0 -
I like Glocks this much........
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Nunn.... I have had numerous recruits come thru the academy where I teach, with Glocks dry as a bone, and shoot them all day with no problems.
To each his own. As I have said before.. I will always support a persons right to NOT own a Glock if they so choose. I own Glocks, Berettas, Sigs, Colts, Smiths, Rugers, Para Ords and others.
Each gun has its pros and cons when it comes to feel, features, beauty, perceived reliability etc. So... if you like'em buy one, if you dont, then dont.0 -
Laredo Lefty,
That is a nice looking collection of Glocks!
Danny0 -
quote:We really shouldn't let our guns get dry and dirty, but we do.
If we do it with a SIG, we are still reasoably well armed. If we let our Glock get dry, we end up with a pistol that has to be manipulated for each shot by whacking it on the rear of the slide.
I am not making it up. This is what I have seen on our range.
you boy's have gone down hill since the ranger days.
I've never had a problem with any quality weapon I've owned, use what works for you.
Glocks are quality.0 -
Thanks Danny....... And they all have been shot, some more than others. 0 -
I dont dislike glock I just choose other pistols. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
But Glocks are still junk right.
Mine was, and a lot of the early ones were too. Glockies want to deny it, but it doesn't change the truth.
Have you ever run over any gun with a truck, buried it in the sand for a month, or shot it with a .22?I shot it with a .22 then ran over it with a truck and buried it in the sand for a month, problem is its still buried, forgot where a buried it.[}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
I shot it with a .22 then ran over it with a truck and buried it in the sand for a month, problem is its still buried, forgot where a buried it.[}:)]
[:D][:D][:D] You just ain't right![:D][:D][:D]0 -
I have a problem with them. It's not that I hate them, they just don't fit "me."
I have owned a couple of models. I wanted to see what all the hype was about. Took the first one to the range and found that it did NOT have a natural point of aim "for me." Along with that, after a few mags, the "thingy" in the trigger made my finger sore. (they should make that safety like the XD does, where it conforms to the trigger when depressed) Took a different model, different time, same results.
Sure, I could "get used to it" I don't want to. I want something I can draw, point and shoot. A Glock don't fit the bill "for me."
There are a number of people, that I shoot matches with, that use a Glock. Have not heard of those guys having any trouble with them.
I am a little jealous though, because I can't just throw my handgun in the dishwasher to clean it. [}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
Give me one good reason why they aren't solid firearms.
i have never shot more than 50 rounds through one that didnt jam. my colt 1911 .45 rarely jams and neither do most of the other pistols i shoot.
i dont hate glocks though, i just think they are prone to jamming.0 -
quote:Originally posted by BarkingDog
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
Give me one good reason why they aren't solid firearms.
i have never shot more than 50 rounds through one that didnt jam. my colt 1911 .45 rarely jams and neither do most of the other pistols i shoot.
i dont hate glocks though, i just think they are prone to jamming.
BD,
If you're having jaming problems, it may be you instead of the gun. Glocks are top have, and because they are light, they have a heavy twist in the recoil. You have to stiff wrist them more than any other gun I know or you'll get a stove pipe or miss feed. They generally don't have feed or jam problems.0 -
quote:i dont hate glocks though, i just think they are prone to jamming.
That is common to the limp wristed.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
1911's were killing people long before Gaston Glock was ever born.[:o)][;)][}:)]
Yeah and muskets were killing people before the 1911, and your point is?[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Cutiegirlracing
quote:Originally posted by lt496
1911's were killing people long before Gaston Glock was ever born.[:o)][;)][}:)]
Yeah and muskets were killing people before the 1911, and your point is?[;)]
so was clubs and stones, does this mean a rock is even better than a glock?
i say high noon 25 paces my glock your rock0 -
Any Glocks been to the Aberdeen Proving Ground? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
But Glocks are still junk right.
Mine was, and a lot of the early ones were too. Glockies want to deny it, but it doesn't change the truth.
Have you ever run over any gun with a truck, buried it in the sand for a month, or shot it with a .22?
Of course I have! DUH. What, you've not? What kind of a gun owner are you? [}:)]0 -
I didn't used to like Glocks. Now, I own 4.
I like 'em. They work well for me; they fit my hand just fine, and I shoot well with them. I've never had a single bobble with any Glock I've ever owned.
And, to the statement of the 1911 being around much longer...I don't drive a Model T. Why would I want to pack a pistol that was state of the art at the same time?[}:)][}:)][}:)]
(Actually, I'm a big fan of the 1911, as well. Just having a little fun...[:D])0 -
quote:Originally posted by Cutiegirlracing
quote:Originally posted by lt496
1911's were killing people long before Gaston Glock was ever born.[:o)][;)][}:)]
Yeah and muskets were killing people before the 1911, and your point is?[;)]
Uh, a parody of the old Glock -vs- 1911 debate.
Couldn't care less what firearms others choose to own. Why would anyone be concerned over another's choice of handguns?
I previously owned a Glock 19 and carried it on-duty while working narcs. Sold it some years ago. Recently purchased a Glock 26 as a truck/camp gun. Personal preference for me....depends on the use it is to be put to.
I'm kind of partial to 1911's and S&W revolvers, but 50+ handguns of many varieties styles and manufactures call me Daddy.[;)]0 -
Dang furrin' guns[:(!][:(!][:(!] 0 -
I've handled shooters on ranges for close to 25 years, running the gamut from a regional LE academy which drew students from across a 31 county region to those used by single agencies. The courses I've conducted range from basic recruit training to in-service schools and SWAT courses.
Some of the agencies who sent their people through this regional academy issued firearms, but many just established caliber and/or action parameters and allowed their people to purchase their own. The result was that I'd have everything from S&W revolvers to hopped up 1911's on the line together. This has allowed me to see a large number, a wide variety and multiple samples of handguns perform side by side over the years.
It's been my observation that the Glock is among the better factory semiautos, but they don't actually stand out as functioning flawlessly. Like any other, they have their share of problems.
The Glock is by far the most prone to lose it's factory sights. During strings of fire I've seen their front sights simply detach and fly off on numerous occasions. I've also seen that the upper corners of these polymer sights tend to round off from repeated holstering and drawing, which is done (or at least should be) a bunch during training.
Their adjustable rear sights are also very prone to breaking off when doing one-hand reload drills where the shooter has to function the slide by forcing it against something, such as a boot heel or holster. This is so common that I caution shooters to not even show up with a pistol equipped with them.
I've also seen that Glocks are more finicky about ammo dimensions. The first time I saw this we were using a batch of commercially reloaded 9mm ball ammo from an established/reputable manufacturer and during the day every Glock on the line experienced stoppages due to the slide failing to completely return to battery. These cases were apparently slightly oversize, but this was undetectable by visual examination or comparison with others that fed okay. If the shooter performed the immediate action drill of hitting the rear of the slide with their palm these guns became completely locked up and required disassembly to clear. When I took these same rounds that had locked up the Glocks and had them mixed them into the magazines of other pistols on the line (Beretta, SIG, HK and S&W) they fed/fired/ejected with no problems. I didn't measure and compare chambers with the other brands there, but the Glocks were clearly the least forgiving of this very slight ammo imperfection.
I've never seen this occur with factory ammunition, but I wouldn't bet my life that it couldn't happen. Because this condition can't be detected through visual examination of the cartridges, I'd suggest using the barrel as a go/no-go gauge when loading up a fresh batch of carry ammo. In other words remove it and drop each round into the chamber to insure it seats completely, then tip it and insure it falls free.
Polymer framed pistols of any type are also much more unforgiving of a poor grip than even alloy framed pistols. As an example, they're by far the most common to stovepipe when conducting one-hand reload drills against the clock, especially when using the weak hand. This can't simply be dismissed as shooter error, because in the real world things don't always go perfectly-especially when under stress of injury or other outside influences. A slightly incorrect grip might be unavoidable and you want your pistol to be as forgiving as possible. It MUST go bang each time you pull the trigger, but this becomes even more important if you've already been wounded.
None of this should be taken as bashing, because as I said they're among the better pistols out there. Some here will undoubtedly say they've never experienced any of these issues with their gun, but I'm relating unbiased observations of a wide range of shooters and using a bunch of different Glocks.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
I see alot of Glock hate on this forum. Why? I own several Glocks and they are the least finnicky gun I own. They aren't pretty I'll give you that, however their performance is amazing. Not one of my Glocks has jammed on me. I can't say the same for my Colt Defender, Sig P-220, or my wifes XD. They require very little attention. They are accurate also.
Give me one good reason why they aren't solid firearms.
it is ignorance, and i can say that because i was once a glock hater, then i came to my senses
it has several internal safeties that work very well, you'll will hear this debate from the same guy that swears by a revolver which has none
cleaning is a breeze if you clean it at all, i know a guy personally that went 10,000 rounds with no cleaning, and only takes 5 minutes tops
everyone claims in a high stress situation your fine motor skills are impaired{heard it here several times} glock takes care of that, point and shoot
reloads are like cheating with that big magazine well
parts are cheap if you ever need them
glock customer service is second to none, unbelievable turn around and courtesy
i hated the way they look and feel, pointing it was different, i bought one, 3 months later i made ssp master in i.d.p.a. 20,000+ rounds later i have yet to have a malfunction
look at the internals of a xd, m&p and hk it has glock written all over it, why not own the original, i own several other handguns including a 2,000 dollar wilson combat , there is a glock 34 in my bedroom, glock is the ak47 of handguns
To respond to these points:
Virtually no modern gun of quality manufacture will go off if dropped; that's what the Glock internal safeties address, but its not the issue.
The "safety" on the revolver is the long 12-pound DA trigger pull (or the necessity to cock the hammer prior to shooting). Of course any modern revolver has a hammer block or transfer bar to prevent a drop-discharge.
A standard Glock has a short throw 5 pound trigger, not dissimilar to a COCKED revolver.
You may consider it "safe" to carry around a cocked revolver. . .(or a cocked and UN-locked 1911) and so long as you exercise careful trigger discipline, you'll be fine. But until the advent of the Glock (and its massive marketing campaign with police discounts) most military and police agencies did not consider such a weapon "safe".
So THAT is the "safety" issue with Glocks, and that's the reason the gun is associated with a relatively high number of accidental/negligent discharges.
Its also the reason why Glocks marketing is constantly talking about "Safety", and "safe action". . .its to cover the justifiable perception that the gun is intrinsically unsafe!
Is a Glock safe? Sure it is. . .but not "safe" enough for me personally to want to carry it as such concealed as a civilian.
In terms of ergonomics, Glock grips are somewhat blocky and the grip angle is unusual. Personally I don't like them, but that's a matter of taste. Plenty of people love them. The "problem" is that the Glock design doesn't let you easily adjust the grip, so (unlike say revolvers, 1911s, or the more modern Glock-a-likes with insertable grip frames) if it doesn't suit you, you don't have a lot of options to fix it.
In terms of reliabilty, Glocks are about as reliable as you are going to get in a semi-automatic pistol. I know a guy who claims to have put over 50k rounds through his 9mm Glock without ever cleaning it, and I believe him. He's had the gun for over 15 years.0 -
While I do own a couple of polymer pistols, I own pistols that fit my hands. I have never hadled a Glock that felt right. Some models have grips that are simply too large for my hands. They certainly have name recognition, but I do not think they are outstanding firearms. 0
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