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  • gunnut505
    So, if I read this right, when a person adds the v-block, some rods, a split ring, some c-clamps and a coil spring to their 10-22, they have a machinegun?! Can't imagine just how butt-ugly that contraption would be.
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  • select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by gunnut505
    So, if I read this right, when a person adds the v-block, some rods, a split ring, some c-clamps and a coil spring to their 10-22, they have a machinegun?! Can't imagine just how butt-ugly that contraption would be.


    ATF has investigated DEVICES ( in other words it is their determination on any device attached to a trigger ) whether or not it is legal.
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  • thecoltcollector
    i think im going to agree with gunut505.that has got to be one butt ugly ackward thing to shoot with all that sticking out all over it.
    ok by that ruling does that mean anyone who has the hell-fire or similar systems installed on their ar15 is now illegal? they shoot 3 round bursts.
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  • ElMuertoMonkey
    quote:ok by that ruling does that mean anyone who has the hell-fire or similar systems installed on their ar15 is now illegal? they shoot 3 round bursts.Sure looks that way.
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  • MVP
    I wonder when they will outlaw the trigger finger on someone who has perfected the Bump Fire.
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  • Nwcid
    Well here is a video of how butt-ugly and how well that device works. They are talking about the Akins Accelrator. Here is the video: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=d8917c711b40178b7b2c4d0578ed4c4c.1399420 . One of the big problems I see with this set up is they were charging too much for them ~ $1000, and you still have to have the gun, so there were not too many of them out there. Had they been in the $200 range they would have sold so many that the ATF would have had a HARDER time pulling this crap, not saying that they still wouldn't. There is of a similar design for the 1919a4 that was cheeper. The 1919a4 company has not gotten shut down but they are not selling anymore until the ATF makes up their mind [:(!].

    From what others are talking about it sounds like any device that uses any kind of spring will be NO GO. It sounds like crank fires will survive this round but we will have to see what happens.
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  • pickenup
    So, once AGAIN, a BATF ruling will make a FELON out of what was once, a law abiding citizen. [V]

    I wonder if their ruling that a "shoestring" is a part, that is capable of turning a semi-auto into a machinegun, is still in effect?

    Sure glad I have the Velcro type shoes. [}:)]
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  • idsman75
    Since when does the BATFE get to interpret what the law means? Is that a function of the Executive Branch of our government?
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  • bigtire
    I'm sorry to say that I agree with the BATFE as far as that thing meeting their definition of a machine gun. Did you see his finger? One pull resulted in continuous fire.

    before I get flamed... I don't agree with the prohibitive rules and regulations regarding machineguns or destructive devices that BATFE has in place.
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  • Nwcid
    quote:Originally posted by bigtire
    I'm sorry to say that I agree with the BATFE as far as that thing meeting their definition of a machine gun. Did you see his finger? One pull resulted in continuous fire.

    before I get flamed... I don't agree with the prohibitive rules and regulations regarding machineguns or destructive devices that BATFE has in place.





    I will have to look next time I am not on dial up but the ATF changed the wording for MG/FA durring this ruling. If I recall correctly the law did read...."by single function of the trigger" , now it says something like "by single pull of the trigger" or someting like that. The Akins did work for NON NFA in the OLD definition being that the trigger resets every time. Now with the NEW definition it is a MG/FA since it runs by "single pull" of the trigger.
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  • wipala
    Actually the ruling only covers the device described in the ruling

    quote:Held, a device (consisting of a block replacing the original manufacturer?_s V-Block
    of a Ruger 10/22 rifle with two attached rods approximately "? inch in diameter and
    approximately 6 inches in length; a second block, approximately 3 inches long, 1 "?
    inches wide, and "? inch high, machined to allow the two guide rods of the first block to
    pass through; the second block supporting the guide rods and attached to the stock; using
    "? inch rods; metal washers; rubber and metal bushings; two collars with set screws; one
    coiled spring; C-clamps; a split ring; the two blocks assembled together with the composite stock)
    that is designed to attach to a firearm and, when activated by a single
    pull of the trigger, initiates an automatic firing cycle that continues until either the finger
    is released or the ammunition supply is exhausted, is a machinegun under the National
    Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), and the Gun Control Act, 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(23).
    Held further, manufacture and distribution of any device described in this ruling
    must comply with all provisions of the NFA and the GCA, including 18 U.S.C. 922(o).

    This is not talking about hellfire and similar gimmicks. I don't think it is right but it is very specific
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  • Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by idsman75
    Since when does the BATFE get to interpret what the law means? Is that a function of the Executive Branch of our government?


    Judicial Branch
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  • He Dog
    I would have to agree with BigTire on both counts.


    I never thought that would happen.
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