What does "Ismail Ax" Mean?
From Foxnews story:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266500,00.html
The Chicago Tribune reported that the note included a rambling list of grievances that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. The paper also reported that Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266500,00.html
The Chicago Tribune reported that the note included a rambling list of grievances that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. The paper also reported that Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
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I noticed in a news report that Cho Seung-Hui, the VA Tech shooter, had "Ismail Ax" written on his arm in red ink. Wondering what that meant (as Wikipedia failed to clarify) I did a little Googling, and guess what?
"Ismail Ax" is a well known phrase in the Muslim world. The Muslims believe that the [Old Testament] is wrong in saying that Abraham was supposed to kill Isaac with a knife, rather they believe he was supposed to kill Ishmael (Ismail) with an Axe. They also believe that Abraham was supposed to go out and attack idols with an axe, and some also attribute the phrase to meaning that Ishmael was supposed to kill Isaac, the father of all Western culture, with an axe.
Cho was a South Korean immigrant to the US, but it seems undeniable that his killing spree, at least in part, was motivated by some sort of belief in Islam.
Chalk another mass killing up to Islam, but don't expect the MSM to.0 -
oops they would not have printed that if they knew... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by alledan
I noticed in a news report that Cho Seung-Hui, the VA Tech shooter, had "Ismail Ax" written on his arm in red ink. Wondering what that meant (as Wikipedia failed to clarify) I did a little Googling, and guess what?
"Ismail Ax" is a well known phrase in the Muslim world. The Muslims believe that the [Old Testament] is wrong in saying that Abraham was supposed to kill Isaac with a knife, rather they believe he was supposed to kill Ishmael (Ismail) with an Axe. They also believe that Abraham was supposed to go out and attack idols with an axe, and some also attribute the phrase to meaning that Ishmael was supposed to kill Isaac, the father of all Western culture, with an axe.
Cho was a South Korean immigrant to the US, but it seems undeniable that his killing spree, at least in part, was motivated by some sort of belief in Islam.
Chalk another mass killing up to Islam, but don't expect the MSM to.
Good Catch!!!0 -
Out of curiosity, I typed "ismail ax" into Wikipedia's search and this popped out:
Cho Seung-hui
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This is a Korean name; the family name is Cho and unlike Western family names, comes first when pronouncing full names.
Cho Seung-hui
Born January 18, 1984
South Korea
Died April 16, 2007 (aged 23)
Blacksburg, Virginia, USA
Status Deceased (suicide)
Cho Seung-hui
Hangul: #51312;#49849;#55148;
Hanja: #26361;#19998;#31143;
Revised Romanization: Jo Seung-hui
McCune-Reischauer: Cho S#365;ng-h#365;i
Cho Seung-hui (Korean: #51312;#49849;#55148;; January 18, 1984[1] - April 16, 2007) was the spree shooter in the Virginia Tech massacre[2][3][4] of April 16, 2007, according to police reports. He committed suicide as law enforcement closed in on him.
Contents [hide]
1 Biography
1.1 Virginia Tech massacre
2 Behavior
3 Attributed writings
4 See also
5 Notes
6 External links
Biography
Cho was born in South Korea and immigrated to the United States with his parents in September 1992 at the age of eight.[5] He was a South Korean national and a permanent legal resident of the United States.[6] Cho had a permanent address in Centreville, Virginia, an unincorporated community in western Fairfax County, 30 miles west of Washington, D.C. and a few miles directly south of Washington Dulles International Airport.[7] His parents run a dry cleaning business, and his sister is an alumna of Princeton University. Cho graduated in 2003 from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Virginia.[8]
According to Virginia Tech, Cho was an undergraduate majoring in business [9] but switched to English in his senior year.
Virginia Tech massacre
Main article: Virginia Tech massacre
According to television news reports on April 17, Cho left a note criticizing "rich kids," "debauchery," and "deceitful charlatans" before killing two people in a dormitory room on April 16, 2007.[10] Two hours later, Cho crossed the campus to continue his rampage in a classroom building.[4] Police identified Cho by matching fingerprints on the guns used in the shootings with immigration materials.[4] The words "Ismail Ax" were found written on his arm in red ink.[11] Police found a March 9, 2007 purchase receipt for the Glock 19 pistol[10] used in the assault.[12] Permanent residents in Virginia may legally purchase firearms with proof of residency,[13] passing an immediate automated background check,[14] and answering a questionnaire.[15] Cho bought the second weapon, a Walther P22 pistol, a week prior to the massacre. The serial numbers on both guns had been filed off.[16]
Cho committed suicide in Norris Hall with a gunshot to the head[16] as police closed in on him.[17]
Behavior
A university spokesman described Cho as a "loner," and said university officials were having a difficult time finding information about him.[18] A Korean club on campus reported that he rarely joined or talked with them at all.[19] Cho is also believed to have been taking psychiatric medications for depression,[20] and had earlier been accused of setting a fire in a dormitory and stalking women on campus.[21]
According to a classmate in Cho's 300-level Playwriting class, "Cho was really, really quiet. I can't even remember one word he said the entire semester." Although the class was a workshop class, in which students were encouraged to submit their plays for class discussion, when Cho was asked to comment, "he would just shrug and say nothing." According to the professor who taught the class, Cho never participated in class discussions. "He was just there, I can't even describe it. He would just sit and watch us, but wouldn't say anything. It was his lack of behavior that really set him apart. He basically just kept to himself, very isolated. I remember only once he smiled, but it wasn't very big."[22]
According to a professor who taught Cho in a poetry class in 2005, Cho was "extraordinarily lonely-the loneliest person I have ever met in my life." She said that he whispered, took 20 seconds to answer questions, and took cellphone pictures of her in class. After becoming concerned with his behavior and the themes in his writings, the professor started meeting with Cho to work with him one-on-one. She said she was concerned for her safety when she met with him. The professor urged Cho to seek counseling, and even notified the legal authorities about his behavior.[23]
Neighbour Abdul Shash described Cho as "very quiet, always by himself", and said he spent a lot of time playing basketball and would not respond if someone greeted him. Fellow student Julie Poole said that on the first day of a literature class last year the students introduced themselves one by one, but when it was Cho's turn, he did not speak. The professor, she said, looked at the sign-in sheet and where everyone else had written their names, Cho had written a question mark. "We just really knew him as the question mark kid," Ms Poole added.[24]
Attributed writings
Cho published his writings under the name "Seung Cho". The head of the Virginia Tech English Department quoted a colleague, Lucinda Roy, as describing Cho as "troubled." [25] Roy was concerned about an assignment that Cho turned in last year, a one-act play he wrote entitled "Richard McBeef." The play is about a 13-year-old boy who accuses his stepfather of molesting him. The boy talks of killing his stepfather and the two get into a violent argument. The play ends with the stepfather striking the boy with a deadly blow.[26]
In a second play attributed to Cho, titled "Mr. Brownstone," three 17-year-olds are gambling at a casino while discussing their deep hatred of their 45-year-old math teacher, Mr. Brownstone. The students accuse Mr. Brownstone of sexually molesting them and making them bleed. One of the students claims twice that he wants to kill Mr. Brownstone. Another student claims that she wishes Mr. Brownstone would die and that she wants to watch him bleed. The students sing the lyrics to "Mr. Brownstone" by Guns N' Roses, focusing on how they are "gonna kick him on down the line." At the end of the play, one of the students wins a 5 million dollar jackpot. Mr. Brownstone appears and convinces the casino officials that the students attacked him and stole the 5 million dollar ticket from him. The casino officials give the winning ticket to Mr. Brownstone and order the students to be removed from the casino. The play ends with the students threatening revenge.[27][28]
According to a classmate in Cho's 300-level play-writing class, Cho's "writing, the plays, were really morbid and grotesque."[22]
See also
Virginia Tech massacre
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This was brought up on a radio talk show this afternoon....Unfortunely for some who want so desperately to link this to muslims, it cant be, according to the host of the show...
I did a google of the words and could not find anything linking it either....
The murderer was a sick, yes sick, person...very lonely with hatred for rich kids....He set fires in the dorms, wrote plays that were cause for alarm, but so far there is NO religion connection..0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
This was brought up on a radio talk show this afternoon....Unfortunely for some who want so desperately to link this to muslims, it cant be, according to the host of the show...
I did a google of the words and could not find anything linking it either....
The murderer was a sick, yes sick, person...very lonely with hatred for rich kids....He set fires in the dorms, wrote plays that were cause for alarm, but so far there is NO religion connection..
Oh! Silly me... I forgot. Radio talk show hosts are the difinitive authority on all things Islamic!0 -
I'll say it once more, and completely ignoring BR here, wouldn't the muslims stand to gain in furthering the cause of gun control by conspiring with the shooter to commit one of the largest massacres ever known in the US? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigtire
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04172007/news/nationalnews/va__tech_killer_revealed_nationalnews_.htm?page=2
Interesting that the talking heads are steering clear of this issue. Not a single question about it in any of the press conferences. It seems as if no one is willing to go there.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigtire
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
This was brought up on a radio talk show this afternoon....Unfortunely for some who want so desperately to link this to muslims, it cant be, according to the host of the show...
I did a google of the words and could not find anything linking it either....
The murderer was a sick, yes sick, person...very lonely with hatred for rich kids....He set fires in the dorms, wrote plays that were cause for alarm, but so far there is NO religion connection..
Oh! Silly me... I forgot. Radio talk show hosts are the difinitive authority on all things Islamic!
Gun Broker members are of course the leading authorities on all things Islamic. Based on the letter he is supposed to have left behind it sounds like he had a real issue with so called rich kids. I wonder if his parents were put out of the dry cleaning business by NAFTA?0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigtire
quote:Originally posted by bigtire
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04172007/news/nationalnews/va__tech_killer_revealed_nationalnews_.htm?page=2
I'll take my own research on the web over the word of a radio talk show host any day.
Interesting that the talking heads are steering clear of this issue. Reporters have asked every question concievable in the press conferences but Not A Single question about Ismail Ax. It seems as if no one is willing to go there.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
quote:Originally posted by bigtire
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
This was brought up on a radio talk show this afternoon....Unfortunely for some who want so desperately to link this to muslims, it cant be, according to the host of the show...
I did a google of the words and could not find anything linking it either....
The murderer was a sick, yes sick, person...very lonely with hatred for rich kids....He set fires in the dorms, wrote plays that were cause for alarm, but so far there is NO religion connection..
Oh! Silly me... I forgot. Radio talk show hosts are the difinitive authority on all things Islamic!
Gun Broker members are of course the leading authorities on all things Islamic. Based on the letter he is supposed to have left behind it sounds like he had a real issue with so called rich kids. I wonder if his parents were put out of the dry cleaning business by NAFTA?
And according to some reports he signed that letter "Ismail Ax". It was also found in red ink on one of his arms.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Blckhrn
wouldn't the muslims stand to gain in furthering the cause of gun control by conspiring with the shooter... I'm not a conspiricy theorist but this makes a lot of sense. If the American citizenry is disarmed, Osama would be assured of a Muslim takeover of America.0 -
I'll say it again. Some of you guys do way too many drugs. 0 -
Tonight have heard the talking heads say a resident alien cannot legally buy a firearm (wrong) that the shooter was here on a student visa (wrong) and there is a 30 day waiting period to buy a gun (wrong). On the basis of accuracy I have seen so far, I would not trust them if they said the sun rose in the East. Ismail used an ax to attack and destroy idols in the temple (except one idol- hung the axe on the neck of the idol) Not an Islamic expert- my bachelor's was from a Benedictine university that required courses in comparitive religion, and spent time teaching Islamic students in US Army, so studied the people I would be teaching. There ARE Islamic Koreans, but my guess would be wanna-be, like the non-japanese ninjas that are ankle deep around some of the schools. 0 -
Typed in "Ismail Ax" on the Windows IE search line and got this link...sure seems to be ISLAMIC in nature to me. But then, of course, I IGNORE talk radio authorities or muslim apologists on GB.
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm0 -
Here's one re: muslims in S. Korea:
http://www.islamawareness.net/Asia/KoreaSouth/0 -
After reading the moslem link about Ismail Ax I came to the conclusion that the Glock symbolized the axe and that the "rich college students" were the idols that the shooter set out to destroy. Just my tired mind at work. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Aspen79se
I'll say it again. Some of you guys do way too many drugs.
You're the guy with the blue hippo dancing with a bottle.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ramtinxxl
Typed in "Ismail Ax" on the Windows IE search line and got this link...sure seems to be ISLAMIC in nature to me. But then, of course, I IGNORE talk radio authorities or muslim apologists on GB.
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm
I ignore Kristov as as well.0 -
I told you he was a muslim
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quote:Originally posted by moonshine
I told you he was a muslim
[:(!]
His video taped confession espoused Christianity.0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
This was brought up on a radio talk show this afternoon....Unfortunely for some who want so desperately to link this to muslims, it cant be, according to the host of the show...
I did a google of the words and could not find anything linking it either....
The murderer was a sick, yes sick, person...very lonely with hatred for rich kids....He set fires in the dorms, wrote plays that were cause for alarm, but so far there is NO religion connection..
Sick may apply, but EVIL is more descriptive.
SICK:
1. afflicted with ill health or disease; ailing.
2. affected with nausea; inclined to vomit.
3. deeply affected with some unpleasant feeling, as of sorrow, disgust, or boredom: sick at heart; to be sick of parties.
4. mentally, morally, or emotionally deranged, corrupt, or unsound: a sick mind; wild statements that made him seem sick.
5. characteristic of a sick mind: sick fancies.
6. dwelling on or obsessed with that which is gruesome, sadistic, ghoulish, or the like; morbid: a sick comedian; sick jokes.
7. of, pertaining to, or for use during sickness: He applied for sick benefits.
EVIL
1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.
2. harmful; injurious: evil laws.
3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: to be fallen on evil days.
4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation.
5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.: He is known for his evil disposition.
6. that which is evil; evil quality, intention, or conduct: to choose the lesser of two evils.
7. the force in nature that governs and gives rise to wickedness and sin.
8. the wicked or immoral part of someone or something: The evil in his nature has destroyed the good.
9. harm; mischief; misfortune: to wish one evil.
10. anything causing injury or harm: Tobacco is considered by some to be an evil.
11. a harmful aspect, effect, or consequence: the evils of alcohol.
12. a disease, as king's evil.
13. in an evil manner; badly; ill: It went evil with him.
14. the evil one, the devil; Satan.0 -
It was a real shame that the university had a no firearm rule. Maybe a lot of this could have been stopped quicker by someone with a concealed carry permit and a gun. Again, this is a typical case of how criminals fallow the rules set by extreme liberals.[V] 0 -
http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/ismail-ax-sparks-web-frenzy/2007/04/18/1176696889800.html?s_cid=rss_age
Here is the latest link concerning this that I could find.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Aspen79se
quote:Originally posted by moonshine
I told you he was a muslim
[:(!]
His video taped confession espoused Christianity.
If anyone thinks that a lunatic (possibly demon-possessed person) who says that "Jesus loves crucifying me" and "I die like Jesus Christ" is "espousing Christianity," that person doesn't know any more about Christianity than the lunatic killer did.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ramtinxxl
quote:Originally posted by Aspen79se
quote:Originally posted by moonshine
I told you he was a muslim
[:(!]
His video taped confession espoused Christianity.
If anyone thinks that a lunatic (possibly demon-possessed person) who says that "Jesus loves crucifying me" and "I die like Jesus Christ" is "espousing Christianity," that person doesn't know any more about Christianity than the lunatic killer did.
So are you still planning on arguing he was a secret Muslim or something?0 -
If Ismail Ax is a Muslim reference, appparently it was significant to
the murderer since he wrote it on his arm.0 -
Therefore, if the murderer was not a Muslim, he was at least sympathetic to their cause. 0
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