"Modern" status firearm being sold as "antique"...
It always surprises me to see a seller offering a "modern status" firearm as being "antique status" (with no FFL requirement). This particular seller believed a serial number to be the date of manufacture. By simply doing a google search and spending less than two minutes to research it, I found that his Stevens target pistol was actually produced in the late teens through the 1930's. Being the good guy that I am, I wrote to the seller and advised him (even provided some links and a copy of an original 1920's advertisement). Of course, the information I provided was ignored. If (or when) he gets caught for selling it without a proper transfer, he will realize that I wasn't just talking out of my "newthole". [;)]
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=69260101
The old saying holds true: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=69260101
The old saying holds true: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
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hobby quote: "newthole".
...+1, that's FUNNY!...great analogy...[:D]
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...well I did not see where he used "antique" anywhere in his description, nor that an FFL was not needed to transfer.
..I think he may be wrong if he really thinks this was manf. in 1894...[;)]0 -
A stevens No. 10 Target Pistol was made from 1919 to 1933, and about 7,000 were made. It is worth about $250 in that condition, but that add on thread adapter on the barrel will bring the price down another $30 to $50.
quote:The old saying holds true: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
Very true, some people are just know nothing idiots that are so stupid that they do not know that they are stupid know nothing idiots.0 -
quote:Originally posted by COLT
...well I did not see where he used "antique" anywhere in his description, nor that an FFL was not needed to transfer.
..I think he may be wrong if he really thinks this was manf. in 1894...[;)]
Top of the page in the corner:
"Top > Firearms (Collectible) > Antiques / pre-1899"
He is wrong. The Stevens Number 10 was produced from 1919 - 1938.0 -
quote:Originally posted by COLT
...well I did not see where he used "antique" anywhere in his description, nor that an FFL was not needed to transfer.
..I think he may be wrong if he really thinks this was manf. in 1894...[;)]
Check again on the category.....0 -
Very true, some people are just know nothing idiots that are so stupid that they do not know that they are stupid know nothing idiots.
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Your comment is apparently quite true. A study published back in January 2000 (NY Times and other papers) provides strong evidence that the more incompetent a person is, the less he is able to recognize that competence. Those results certainly explain a lot of things I see at work.[;)][:D][}:)]0 -
"newthole"
Wonderfull.
How about "zipperhead" ??
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While true that the pistol in question is not an 'antique' per BATF rules, any firearm that can be shown to be 50 years old today or prior is not a 'modern' firearm either and can be acquired through the use of a type 03 or 'C&R' license.
Regards, Bob0 -
He listened.
[Information added 04/04/2007 4:05:15 PM]
"ATTENTION" Thanks to the information of friends on GB I stand corrected. According to the emails I have received, 1894 is the serial number, not the date. Also, someone said that the pistol was made from 1913 to 1933. One person said that it is not a Parlor pistol and that the threading was done after production. Please do your research and bid accordingly. The pistol is not mine and I know nothing about it. Only what I was told. I still think it's pretty COOL!0 -
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
quote:Originally posted by bobinwis
While true that the pistol in question is not an 'antique' per BATF rules, any firearm that can be shown to be 50 years old today or prior is not a 'modern' firearm either and can be acquired through the use of a type 03 or 'C&R' license.
Regards, Bob
There's a BIG difference between a firearm qualifying for a C&R transfer versus "no FFL required." Although it will qualify for C&R license holders, the point is now mute as he did listen after all and made the necessary and "proper" changes to his auction. Chalk another one up for HobbyGuy! "Savior of the unknowing, protector of the innocent (or just stupid people in general)!" [^]
How can a mute listen?[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by pistoljim
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
quote:Originally posted by bobinwis
While true that the pistol in question is not an 'antique' per BATF rules, any firearm that can be shown to be 50 years old today or prior is not a 'modern' firearm either and can be acquired through the use of a type 03 or 'C&R' license.
Regards, Bob
There's a BIG difference between a firearm qualifying for a C&R transfer versus "no FFL required." Although it will qualify for C&R license holders, the point is now mute as he did listen after all and made the necessary and "proper" changes to his auction. Chalk another one up for HobbyGuy! "Savior of the unknowing, protector of the innocent (or just stupid people in general)!" [^]
How can a mute listen?[:D]
If they can't, it's a moot point [:D]0 -
The listing has been updated. 0 -
When I was young, which was about 50 years ago, the title of antique was given to things "over 50 years old". Thus someone could have an antique car or lamp or whatever. Unfortunately, the government jumped in and gave a precise definition- basically I recall that anything made before 1898 was considered an antique.
So someone may be referring informally to an antique that doesn't qualify as a lefal antique. As noted, the only real problem with all this is if a fun that didn't meet the government criteria for antique was transferred as if it did.0 -
quote:"newthole".
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Think I read something from the BATFE Branch on a "Ruling" a long time ago in referance to "Palor Pistols".
Some are exempt? Some are not?
But I'm not going to hunt it down.
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quote:So someone may be referring informally to an antique that doesn't qualify as a lefal antique.
And the fact that the top of the page says Top > Firearms (Collectible) > Antiques / pre-18990 -
As far as I know parlor pistols were not chambered in .22LR. 0
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