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A Falcon just Attacked

MVP
I was in my shop working on a rifle when I heard my chickens going crazy outside.
I ran outside and could hear the chickens out by the road and they are never out there so I ran up to the bushes I heard them in and out came flying a Falcon.
Is it against the Law to shoot a Falcon that is attacking my chickens?
I wanted to drop that thing right then and there
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  • allen griggs
    Yes it is a federal violation.
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  • MVP
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    Yes it is a federal violation.

    I thought there was a clause about protecting your live stock?
    [:D]
    I got a chicken ranch to run you know[:o)]
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  • rider
    SSS
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  • 65gto389
    "SSS" = Shoot, shovel, shut-up! I like that way of thinking! [;)]
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  • 1911a1-fan
    yep 3 S's, and speak of it no more here
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  • TRAP55
    Livestock depredation, dust his butt! If you don't, he'll hang out for the easy pickins.
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  • turtles11756
    a chicken and a perigine falcon like a vega to a corvette. leave him alone it will find a pigeion next time.
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  • MVP
    The funny thing is I have never seen a Falcon in my area.
    I have several red tailed hawks that live in my area and fly around all the time and they have not been a problem at all.
    This falcon took off and stayed 5' above ground for about 200 yards to the trees down by my creek.

    He needs to go down to the freeway and eat free pigions and leave my chickens alone.[:D]
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  • select-fire
    That bird will now become a big problem. It will come back like you have a buffet set up for it till every chicken is gone.
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  • bgjohn
    Put you chickens in a pen.
    [:o)]JM
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  • texaswildman
    quote:Originally posted by TRAP55
    Livestock depredation, dust his butt! If you don't, he'll hang out for the easy pickins.


    Claim livestock depredation at your hearing and it will delay the hearing.... delay is about as long as it takes you to say "livestock depredation"...

    Livestock depredation is not grounds for legally killing a protected species.
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  • texaswildman
    depends on what species and where. both federal and state laws may apply. (Protected, threatened, endangered) Protected is the least damning....

    Bottom line - don't kill the bird.
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  • Jacob2008
    Youve got the right to protect your livestock, just fire a round and see if it doesnt fly off.

    I wouldnt even post something like this here though

    SSS
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  • tobefree
    Can't touch me!!!Bwaaaahahahaha
    [img]http://.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/michaelvick.jpg[/img]
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  • texaswildman
    quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
    Youve got the right to protect your livestock, just fire a round and see if it doesnt fly off.



    SSS


    Nope - If you are caught, that can be considered harassment. Different states use different wording, but basically whether you call them sensitive, protected, species of concern, threatened, endangered, or whatever the catch word they use, you can't harass most species wildlife. Not even wildlife that has a season on them.
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  • Jacob2008
    quote:Originally posted by texaswildman
    quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
    Youve got the right to protect your livestock, just fire a round and see if it doesnt fly off.



    SSS


    Nope - If you are caught, that can be considered harassment. Different states use different wording, but basically whether you call them sensitive, protected, species of concern, threatened, endangered, or whatever the catch word they use, you can't harass most species wildlife. Not even wildlife that has a season on them.


    Well up here in missouri were used to the new laws, where you can shoot 'er if its on your property and harassing you.
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  • Ford 23
    For a long time I was blaming Peregrine Falcon's for wiping out birds and small mammals turned out mistaken identity, it was Cooper Hawks. The Hawks fly through tree branches and seem to attack there prey in almost the same manner. I'm not familiar with what other type Falcons are in different areas of the US, but it may be possible a mistaken ID and you have a species of Hawk. Between the Red Tails and Coopers they come in and clean out most everything, birds, ducks, squirrels and anything with four legs if it of size they can handle. To many predators competing for the what is available in the normal food chain, Tree Huggers don't see it as a problem
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  • MVP
    Ford 23

    Here is a pic of the erxact same kind of bird that attacked.
    I know the Hawks that live around here ahd they have a red tail and are a lot bigger.

    Pfalcon.jpeg
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  • Ford 23
    MVP---Easier to ID species from breast with wings folded than top view (at least for me). Couple links for Coopers and Peregrine

    www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Coopers_Hawk_dtl.html - 18k

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Falcon - 117k
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  • MVP
    It could have been a Coopers Hawk
    The reason I posted pics from the top side of the birds is that is the side I saw as it flew off and down into the creek ravine.

    hawk-coopers_350.jpg
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  • dheffley
    It's hust nature, and the Falcon is protected. All you can do is pin them up in a coop.
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  • stanman
    A Coopers Hawk is quite large in comparison to a Peregrine Falcon.
    A Sharp-shinned Hawk is the more likely culprit.
    Could have been a Peregrine, but the Sharp-shinned Hawk is much more prolific in the NW and very "falcon like" in appearance, especially in flight.
    http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Sharp-shinned_Hawk.html
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  • MVP
    quote:Originally posted by stanman
    A Coopers Hawk is quite large in comparison to a Peregrine Falcon.
    A Sharp-shinned Hawk is the more likely culprit.
    Could have been a Peregrine, but the Sharp-shinned Hawk is much more prolific in the NW and very "falcon like" in appearance, especially in flight.
    http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Sharp-shinned_Hawk.html







    I just googled the Sharpshinned Hawks pictures and that does look very close.
    It hasn't came back today.
    I am going to have to keep these chickens penned up I guess.
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  • phillip
    IF I did it, This is how it happened.......................
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  • texaswildman
    quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
    quote:Originally posted by texaswildman
    quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
    Youve got the right to protect your livestock, just fire a round and see if it doesnt fly off.



    SSS


    Nope - If you are caught, that can be considered harassment. Different states use different wording, but basically whether you call them sensitive, protected, species of concern, threatened, endangered, or whatever the catch word they use, you can't harass most species wildlife. Not even wildlife that has a season on them.


    Well up here in missouri were used to the new laws, where you can shoot 'er if its on your property and harassing you.


    Jacob - I don't know every states laws, but i can tell you this without looking your state up - no one can just kill an endangered species on their own property. Some states have "provisions" for the protection of property from wildlife damage, but you have to get special permission for the taking of protected species. Most species, the federal boys will be involved. Good luck getting that permit in this lifetime. You must also remember that federal laws must also be adhered too. The Migratory Bird Treaty Act is a serious protector of just about every bird around. The proving of "damage" is quite onerous. I have both a bachelor and masters in wildlife science and 30 years experience and I wouldn't want to rely on some chickens as my damage proof for taking a falcon or hawk. but hey - that's just me....
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