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  • Hunter Mag
    The only thing I ever got from africa was a e-mail from some millionair wanting my bank account number to stash his $35 million in it.
    I said no.

    Nice rifles BTW.
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  • elkoholic
    Nice!
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  • Mk 19
    spurgemastur, Congrats on finally getting your guns, I'm looking forward to more pics, especially of the Westley Richards[;)]
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  • dolfan
    Good for you. I remember your prior posts.
    You sure don't give up.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Congrats![8D]
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  • BHAVIN
    Cool! History via guns is great. I would like to see better pics. Thanks.
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  • pickenup
    Seems patients IS a virtue.
    Congrats.
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  • Floyd621
    The Bolt Action with the broken stock is an 88 Mauser Sporting Rifle.
    Most likely an 8mm that uses a .318 bullet instead of the .323 bullets loaded in the 8mm Mauser now.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    Nice guns. I dint know you were talking about wesley richards. Still, Unless you are going to use them...?????
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  • spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by Floyd621
    The Bolt Action with the broken stock is an 88 Mauser Sporting Rifle.
    Most likely an 8mm that uses a .318 bullet instead of the .323 bullets loaded in the 8mm Mauser now.


    Sweet! You know something about this! I'm kind of dumb in this regard. When you say it's an 88 Mauser Sporting Rifle, are you talking about the design, or the manufacturer? I have it from the guy who left it to me that it's a Mannlicher-Schoennauer, and the gunsmith who exported it did not dispute this.

    The only markings I can find on the gun are a serial number on the right side of the chamber, something that appears to be a proof mark on the bolt release, something illegible under the bolt handle, and the following on the left side of the chamber:

    2,75 g G.B.P
    St.m.G

    Got any more pearls for this swine? I'd love to hear it!
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  • spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    Nice guns. I dint know you were talking about wesley richards. Still, Unless you are going to use them...?????


    I'm not sure what you mean there. If they're shootable, I'll shoot them. About the only thing you'd do with a .450 on this continent is grizzly or polar bear (maybe bison?) and I'm not about to go out and get any of those. I just think the rifles should be in shooting condition. Besides, they're pretty, and could be prettier.

    Anyhow, unless you correct me I'll chalk that up as advice to be pragmatic. You're right. I could dump a bunch of cash into a couple arms that I'll never put to any useful purpose. It's something to think about. But if I were that pragmatic, I wouldn't have spent over three years working to import these guns. I don't have that much cash into them yet, but the hours I've invested could have......

    Well, you get the picture.
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  • Floyd621
    It's designed after the Mannlicher, Here's one for sale.
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=84954071
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  • GuvamintCheese
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    Nice guns. I dint know you were talking about wesley richards. Still, Unless you are going to use them...?????


    I'm not sure what you mean there. If they're shootable, I'll shoot them. About the only thing you'd do with a .450 on this continent is grizzly or polar bear (maybe bison?) and I'm not about to go out and get any of those. I just think the rifles should be in shooting condition. Besides, they're pretty, and could be prettier.

    Anyhow, unless you correct me I'll chalk that up as advice to be pragmatic. You're right. I could dump a bunch of cash into a couple arms that I'll never put to any useful purpose. It's something to think about. But if I were that pragmatic, I wouldn't have spent over three years working to import these guns. I don't have that much cash into them yet, but the hours I've invested could have......

    Well, you get the picture.
    OK, get a second mortgage and restore them. If you are doing it to resell probably not a good investment. The engraving alone will be a grand at least. They are beutiful specimens that have had a full life, I dont know that they would handle another.
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  • spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    Nice guns. I dint know you were talking about wesley richards. Still, Unless you are going to use them...?????


    I'm not sure what you mean there. If they're shootable, I'll shoot them. About the only thing you'd do with a .450 on this continent is grizzly or polar bear (maybe bison?) and I'm not about to go out and get any of those. I just think the rifles should be in shooting condition. Besides, they're pretty, and could be prettier.

    Anyhow, unless you correct me I'll chalk that up as advice to be pragmatic. You're right. I could dump a bunch of cash into a couple arms that I'll never put to any useful purpose. It's something to think about. But if I were that pragmatic, I wouldn't have spent over three years working to import these guns. I don't have that much cash into them yet, but the hours I've invested could have......

    Well, you get the picture.
    OK, get a second mortgage and restore them. If you are doing it to resell probably not a good investment. The engraving alone will be a grand at least. They are beutiful specimens that have had a full life, I dont know that they would handle another.


    Well, I'm not that wealthy, and probably won't be for a while. I doubt I'd get the engraving restored. I just want the rust off, the stock nice, and the arm in firing condition. I've come to the opinion that I don't really own these arms. I'm just looking after them until the next care-taker takes over. I'll probably fire these less than three dozen times in my life.
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  • spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by Floyd621
    It's designed after the Mannlicher, Here's one for sale.
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=84954071


    Dang. I wish mine looked that nice!

    Did you mean: "designed after the Mauser?" I hope so, because I can make sense of that.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    Nice guns. I dint know you were talking about wesley richards. Still, Unless you are going to use them...?????


    I'm not sure what you mean there. If they're shootable, I'll shoot them. About the only thing you'd do with a .450 on this continent is grizzly or polar bear (maybe bison?) and I'm not about to go out and get any of those. I just think the rifles should be in shooting condition. Besides, they're pretty, and could be prettier.

    Anyhow, unless you correct me I'll chalk that up as advice to be pragmatic. You're right. I could dump a bunch of cash into a couple arms that I'll never put to any useful purpose. It's something to think about. But if I were that pragmatic, I wouldn't have spent over three years working to import these guns. I don't have that much cash into them yet, but the hours I've invested could have......

    Well, you get the picture.
    OK, get a second mortgage and restore them. If you are doing it to resell probably not a good investment. The engraving alone will be a grand at least. They are beutiful specimens that have had a full life, I dont know that they would handle another.


    Well, I'm not that wealthy, and probably won't be for a while. I doubt I'd get the engraving restored. I just want the rust off, the stock nice, and the arm in firing condition. I've come to the opinion that I don't really own these arms. I'm just looking after them until the next care-taker takes over. I'll probably fire these less than three dozen times in my life.You might be lucky to live thru one firing. These are not shooters!!! they are hangers!! Im sorry, maybe someone else will tell you different. I have restored guns before and sometimes you are just better off to let them rest in peace. [|)] But man, those ladder sights and farquarsen actions are the berries. And worth a pretty penny the way they are!
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  • spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    quote:Originally posted by spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    Nice guns. I dint know you were talking about wesley richards. Still, Unless you are going to use them...?????


    I'm not sure what you mean there. If they're shootable, I'll shoot them. About the only thing you'd do with a .450 on this continent is grizzly or polar bear (maybe bison?) and I'm not about to go out and get any of those. I just think the rifles should be in shooting condition. Besides, they're pretty, and could be prettier.

    Anyhow, unless you correct me I'll chalk that up as advice to be pragmatic. You're right. I could dump a bunch of cash into a couple arms that I'll never put to any useful purpose. It's something to think about. But if I were that pragmatic, I wouldn't have spent over three years working to import these guns. I don't have that much cash into them yet, but the hours I've invested could have......

    Well, you get the picture.
    OK, get a second mortgage and restore them. If you are doing it to resell probably not a good investment. The engraving alone will be a grand at least. They are beutiful specimens that have had a full life, I dont know that they would handle another.


    Well, I'm not that wealthy, and probably won't be for a while. I doubt I'd get the engraving restored. I just want the rust off, the stock nice, and the arm in firing condition. I've come to the opinion that I don't really own these arms. I'm just looking after them until the next care-taker takes over. I'll probably fire these less than three dozen times in my life.You might be lucky to live thru one firing. These are not shooters!!! they are hangers!! Im sorry, maybe someone else will tell you different. I have restored guns before and sometimes you are just better off to let them rest in peace. [|)] But man, those ladder sights and farquarsen actions are the berries. And worth a pretty penny the way they are!


    Thanks, Cartod. I've seen enough of your posts to believe that you know of which you speak. I'm years away from the moment when I'll decide whether or not to pull the trigger on these arms, but I'll have your input to help me decide.
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  • Floyd621
    Heres a Mannlicher, notice how the triggerguard is made.
    http://randyrick.us/AustrianFirearms/rdutch.htm
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  • spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by Floyd621
    Heres a Mannlicher, notice how the triggerguard is made.
    http://randyrick.us/AustrianFirearms/rdutch.htm


    I see the difference between that trigger guard and the one on my rifle, but I don't know how to interpret it.

    Please walk me through this as if I were a complete idiot, because I know next to nothing about these rifles and sorely need education.
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  • Floyd621
    Your Rifle is a German Comission Rifle. They borrowed some of the design features from the Mannlicher. They made sporting Versions like yours as well as Military Versions, Here's one.
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=85020970
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  • tazzer
    what would the air rifle be worth ????
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  • jonk
    It is indeed a Gewehr 88, not a Mannlicher-Schoenauer.

    Chambering could be 8X57I, 8X56 M-S, 8X57IR, etc. I suspect 8X57I, the old 8mm Mauser with a .318 barrel.

    I'm confused. African laws might be such that they have to go through an importer on that end, but these are all pre- 1898. From our side, they could just be mailed to your door, no?
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  • spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by jonk
    It is indeed a Gewehr 88, not a Mannlicher-Schoenauer.

    Chambering could be 8X57I, 8X56 M-S, 8X57IR, etc. I suspect 8X57I, the old 8mm Mauser with a .318 barrel.

    I'm confused. African laws might be such that they have to go through an importer on that end, but these are all pre- 1898. From our side, they could just be mailed to your door, no?


    A couple different things converged to make me do it the way I did:

    First, there were originally supposed to be two additional guns that didn't make it through the import permitting process.

    Second, does that 1898 cutoff refer to date the arm was designed, or the date it was built? I still don't know the answer to that question so I assumed it meant "build date" because I figured it was the safer assumption. The .450 has a 1929 manufacture date.

    BATF left the .450 on the permit but originally tried to remove the 8mm from the permit, explaining that it was pre 1898. The also tried to remove the air rifle from the permit for obvious reasons. I asked them to put the 8mm and air gun back on the permit because I wasn't 100% sure what the 8mm was (as has become obvious here) and because it made getting the export permit in South Africa easier.
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  • spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by tazzer
    what would the air rifle be worth ????


    I was hoping one of you might tell me that. My exporter in SA put values on all of these pieces, but the market there is very different than it is here (he valued an Enfield .303 at $10) so I really haven't much of a clue what any of this stuff is worth.
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  • jonk
    Made before Jan. 1, 1899. So yes, the .450 would require the permit. My bad. As would the other two guns that didn't make it. Probably. Some Enfields were made before then as well.
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