Gun Control, I found this on the net, take a look,
found this on a search of the net,
Don't Blame Liberals for Gun Control
by Richard Poe
NEWSMAX.COM - Anti-gun crusaders seem worried about the advent of a Republican administration. Heaven knows why. Republicans, in recent years, have managed to do nearly as much damage to the Second Amendment as Democrats.
In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."
It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."
It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.
Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay."
One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections.
Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10, 2000, signed into law what The New York Times called "the nation's strictest gun controls," a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison.
Gun control crusaders argue that the Republicans are simply yielding to grassroots pressure, to gain political advantage. But polls show little evidence of such pressure.
A Gallup/CNN/USA Today survey taken in June 1999 - only two months after the Littleton massacre - showed that the number of Americans who favored stricter gun laws had declined by 20 percent since 1990.
Public support for gun control has dwindled even further since then. An Associated Press poll released on the one-year anniversary of the Littleton shootings shows that Americans favor strict enforcement of existing laws over new gun laws - the exact position of the National Rifle Association (NRA) - by 42 to 33 percent.
That same month, a survey by the Pew Research Center showed that only 6 percent of Americans believed that tougher gun laws would prevent future school shootings.
Meanwhile, a Tarrance Group poll has shown that only 5 percent of Americans want gunmakers and gun dealers held responsible for misuse of firearms.
Clearly, the pressure for gun control is not coming from the grassroots. It comes from those layers of society that the left calls the "ruling classes" - academics, Hollywood stars, Washington insiders and multibillion-dollar media conglomerates.
The latter are particularly influential in pushing anti-gun propaganda. A study by the Media Research Center released in January 2000 showed that television news stories calling for stricter gun laws outnumbered those opposing such laws by a ratio of 10 to 1.
The blame for this media bias is traditionally assigned to "liberal journalists." And, indeed, most journalists do hold left-of-center views. A 1996 survey of working journalists by the Roper Center and the Freedom Forum showed that 89 percent had voted for Bill Clinton in 1992. Only 4 percent identified themselves as Republicans and only 2 percent as conservatives.
Yet, their "liberal" views probably have less impact on the media's anti-gun bias than most people assume. Rank-and-file reporters have little power to influence the political spin even of their own stories.
When I worked at the New York Post in the mid-1980s, I found the newsroom filled with liberals. They grumbled constantly about the paper's conservative slant. But they went along with it, because it was company policy.
Liberal news organizations are no different. Political bias comes from the top. Rank-and-file reporters simply do what they are told.
Those of us who cherish our Second Amendment rights are keeping our fingers crossed about George W. Bush. But the monolithic commitment America's "ruling classes" have shown toward gun control makes one wonder whether even a president is free to buck the current
Don't Blame Liberals for Gun Control
by Richard Poe
NEWSMAX.COM - Anti-gun crusaders seem worried about the advent of a Republican administration. Heaven knows why. Republicans, in recent years, have managed to do nearly as much damage to the Second Amendment as Democrats.
In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."
It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."
It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.
Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay."
One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections.
Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10, 2000, signed into law what The New York Times called "the nation's strictest gun controls," a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison.
Gun control crusaders argue that the Republicans are simply yielding to grassroots pressure, to gain political advantage. But polls show little evidence of such pressure.
A Gallup/CNN/USA Today survey taken in June 1999 - only two months after the Littleton massacre - showed that the number of Americans who favored stricter gun laws had declined by 20 percent since 1990.
Public support for gun control has dwindled even further since then. An Associated Press poll released on the one-year anniversary of the Littleton shootings shows that Americans favor strict enforcement of existing laws over new gun laws - the exact position of the National Rifle Association (NRA) - by 42 to 33 percent.
That same month, a survey by the Pew Research Center showed that only 6 percent of Americans believed that tougher gun laws would prevent future school shootings.
Meanwhile, a Tarrance Group poll has shown that only 5 percent of Americans want gunmakers and gun dealers held responsible for misuse of firearms.
Clearly, the pressure for gun control is not coming from the grassroots. It comes from those layers of society that the left calls the "ruling classes" - academics, Hollywood stars, Washington insiders and multibillion-dollar media conglomerates.
The latter are particularly influential in pushing anti-gun propaganda. A study by the Media Research Center released in January 2000 showed that television news stories calling for stricter gun laws outnumbered those opposing such laws by a ratio of 10 to 1.
The blame for this media bias is traditionally assigned to "liberal journalists." And, indeed, most journalists do hold left-of-center views. A 1996 survey of working journalists by the Roper Center and the Freedom Forum showed that 89 percent had voted for Bill Clinton in 1992. Only 4 percent identified themselves as Republicans and only 2 percent as conservatives.
Yet, their "liberal" views probably have less impact on the media's anti-gun bias than most people assume. Rank-and-file reporters have little power to influence the political spin even of their own stories.
When I worked at the New York Post in the mid-1980s, I found the newsroom filled with liberals. They grumbled constantly about the paper's conservative slant. But they went along with it, because it was company policy.
Liberal news organizations are no different. Political bias comes from the top. Rank-and-file reporters simply do what they are told.
Those of us who cherish our Second Amendment rights are keeping our fingers crossed about George W. Bush. But the monolithic commitment America's "ruling classes" have shown toward gun control makes one wonder whether even a president is free to buck the current
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quote:Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay."
How could he NOT support that bill???? Brady was shot trying to protect Pres Reagan.0 -
rogue_rob,
Brady was indeed shot, but did the American people a a whole shoot him? This ain't Julius Caesar - we each didn't take a stab (or in this case, a shot) at the man.
Why we were collectively punished for it in the form of various bans is beyond me.[xx(][:(!]0 -
All can not be punished for the mistake's or wrong doing of others! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
quote:Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay."
How could he NOT support that bill???? Brady was shot trying to protect Pres Reagan.
read the whole text,it said regan supported Gun Control while Gov. of Ca. & 24 years later when Pres. he still supported Gun Control , via the Brady Bill.
All I'm say'n is it don't make a tinkers damn what party your in, Both have Very Corrupt people who are only out to advance their selfs & Big Gov. and what better way to take contol of the masses than to dis arm them first.
dan0 -
Of course this is looking at who signed the bills not who put forth the effort at preparing the bills and running them through congress. Check the facts 95% are slam dunked by Democrats. But then they like to point the finger at the other side to "deflect" the facts. Thats what they do.
Congress was controled by the Democrates most of the time in the past and have a history of introducing anti-gun bills. Schumer, Latinberg, Finestine, Boxer, and many others. Check out the NRA website and look at where most of the bills came from and the primary sponsers.
Others get blackmailed into signing the bills to get their own legislation passed.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
rogue_rob,
Brady was indeed shot, but did the American people a a whole shoot him? This ain't Julius Caesar - we each didn't take a stab (or in this case, a shot) at the man.
Why we were collectively punished for it in the form of various bans is beyond me.[xx(][:(!]
I agree with you, the question was meant to be rhetorical. What kind of ass would he look like by telling the widow of one of his boys that died (or became a vegetable) protecting him to go piss up a rope?
I'm not saying I AGREE with the Brady bill, just saying that it would have been hard for him NOT to support it considering the circumstances.0 -
Yes, I do blame the democrats for gun control. 0 -
quote:Of course this is looking at who signed the bills not who put forth the effort at preparing the bills and running them through congress. Check the facts 95% are slam dunked by Democrats. But then they like to point the finger at the other side to "deflect" the facts. Thats what they do.
Congress was controled by the Democrates most of the time in the past and have a history of introducing anti-gun bills. Schumer, Latinberg, Finestine, Boxer, and many others. Check out the NRA website and look at where most of the bills came from and the primary sponsers.
Others get blackmailed into signing the bills to get their own legislation passed.Then the GOP are worse than mere anti-gunners, they are anti-gunners by dint of their own cowardice.[:(!]
GOP presidents could have vetoed these measures, but did they?
What's that quote again? All that evil needs to flourish is for good men to do nothing?
Seems the GOp aren't even good, or men, but willing and cowardly accomplices to the strip mining of our 2nd Amendment rights.[:(!][V]0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
quote:Of course this is looking at who signed the bills not who put forth the effort at preparing the bills and running them through congress. Check the facts 95% are slam dunked by Democrats. But then they like to point the finger at the other side to "deflect" the facts. Thats what they do.
Congress was controled by the Democrates most of the time in the past and have a history of introducing anti-gun bills. Schumer, Latinberg, Finestine, Boxer, and many others. Check out the NRA website and look at where most of the bills came from and the primary sponsers.
Others get blackmailed into signing the bills to get their own legislation passed.Then the GOP are worse than mere anti-gunners, they are anti-gunners by dint of their own cowardice.[:(!]
GOP presidents could have vetoed these measures, but did they?
What's that quote again? All that evil needs to flourish is for good men to do nothing?
Seems the GOp aren't even good, or men, but willing and cowardly accomplices to the strip mining of our 2nd Amendment rights.[:(!][V]
I have held 01 ffl's under 3 presidents, and only under your hero clinton was I threatened with prosecution.
Don0 -
Here are some other related issues that I have current facts on.
Showing how the Democrats support our desires.
Subject: Fw: NOTICE HOW THESE POEPLE VOTED !!!
But, what they don't say is what else might have been tied to these bills that could have influenced the vote.
Shocking Senatorial Votes
"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat
you with experience." ~ anonymous
The following senators voted against making English the official language of America :
Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)
I wonder if anyone's asked them what SHOULD be the official language.
Now, the following are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens Social
Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If a state is not
listed, there was no voting representative.
Alaska: Stevens (R)
Arizona: McCain (R) (RINO)
Arkansas: Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)
California: Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)
Colorado: Salazar (D)
Connecticut: Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)
Delaware: Biden (D) Carper (D)
Florida: Martinez (R)
Hawaii: Akaka (D) Inouye (D)
Illinois: Durbin (D) Obama (D)
Indiana: Bayh (D) Lugar (R)
Iowa: Harkin (D)
Kansas: Brownback (R) (LIBERAL)
Louisiana: Landrieu (D)
Maryland: Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)
Montana: Baucus (D)
Nebraska: Hagel (R) (RINO)
Nevada: Reid (D)
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)
New Mexico: Bingaman (D)
New York: Clinton (D) Schumer (D)
North Dakota: Dorgan (D)
Ohio: DeWine (R) Voinovich(R) (Both Liberals)
Oregon: Wyden (D)
Pennsylvania: Specter (R) (Just plain strange)
Rhode Island: Chafee (R) (LIBERAL) Reed (D)
South Carolina: Graham (R) (RINO)
South Dakota: Johnson (D)
Vermont: Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)
Washington: Cantwell (D) Murray (D)
West Virginia: Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting
Wisconsin: Feingold (D) Kohl (D)
SEND THIS TO ALL YOU KNOW. THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION, UNLESS THEY DON'T MIND SHARING THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY WITH FOREIGN WORKERS WHO HAVEN'T CONTRIBUTED A DIME!0 -
I blame politicians. Explain to me again how I will be safer unarmed... 0 -
Gee: Count the D's and the R's and then argue your position. I can do the same thing for all the gun bills and they would show the same thing trend.
Most Democrats anti-gun most republics pro-gun. Look it up if you want to know the truth. Its amazing how many will deny the truth!
Like I said what a president signs or doesn't sign has very little to do with who authored it or pushed it through Congress. A president may have to sign a bill to get some of his stuff through a hostile congress.0 -
Stay with the "cowboy." 0 -
Thomas Jefferson voted AGAINST making English the national language too..........what does that make him?
Merc0 -
Dead.[:D] 0 -
quote:He Dog Posted
I blame politicians.
I agree with He Dog. We have NO friends who are politicans.0 -
Yeah - we are in WA MT357. Hell they can't even count a vote correctly!!! The will of the people means nothing to politicians (read - elite rulers) who want every man woman and child defensless. And we still sit in the pot as the water starts to boil[:(!][:(!] 0
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