Prisoners replacing migrants
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Fab shop I worked for used prison labor. Best employees you can have. Show up for work on time, always back after lunch, no need to pay bennies, and easy to replace. The company actually payed them a very decent wage compared to other prisoner work programs. The prison got something like $3/hour of their wage. Boss was paying them $10. They worked their tails off with a smile on their face. After release they were offered jobs, but probably 85% failed in the civilian world. 0 -
This is as bad or worse than hiring illegals. More labor busting sanctioned by our Government. Criminals being given paying jobs during the penalty phase of their convictions? Rob a 7/11 and get a job? Anyone think there's not something wrong with this picture? 0 -
long live the chain gangs, but we shouldnt pay them, "work or die" 0 -
didn't illegals replace prisoners at some point? 0 -
the county prisoners pick up litter here, I think that is great since they probably produce most of it. 0 -
Covicted criminals should never be given jobs, no matter how seemingly trivial or menial, that can produce income for a law abiding citizen. They're criminals, and part of what's wrong with the justice system is that sentences are many times to lenient and convicts are accorded far too many privileges, rights, recreations, etc. The purpose of incarceration as a penalty for crimes should be as much for deterrence as for punishment. If penalties are not harsh and strictly enforced the deterrent factor becomes nil. It may not stop spontaneous "crimes of passion" or the criminally insane, but I firmly believe that the knowledge that crime will will be rewarded with the surety of truly hard time would deter many a prospective criminal. 0 -
Castro did that ... and also emptied his insane asylums ... and we were dumb
enough to accept them, instead of shipping them back to Gitmo and tossing
them out the front gate.
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This seems to be part of a growing trend in prisons. In Missouri 97% of inmates return to the community at some point, so the focus has turned from "hard time" to rehabilitation and preparation to be productive citizens as their release date nears.
If an inmate is classified as non-violent and has a short time of sentence left or has proved good behavior, I see no problem with this program in Idaho (most states already have this type program called "work release"); however, I feel that whatever wages are earned should pay back the state for the cost of incarceration and/or to the victim(s) of their crimes.0 -
Zipperzap,
I just spent a week back in Philly. Had a great time, went to Atlantic City for some beach and nightlife, and Oceanport for some racing at Monmouth. Philly's a mess.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jeepgod2002
This seems to be part of a growing trend in prisons. In Missouri 97% of inmates return to the community at some point, so the focus has turned from "hard time" to rehabilitation and preparation to be productive citizens as their release date nears.
Jeepgod2002,
I live in the City of Saint Louis and I flat guarantee you that rehabilitation of prisoners resulting in productive citizens upon release is more fantastic than Alice in Wonderland.0 -
quote:Dak To 68:
Zipperzap,
I just spent a week back in Philly. Had a great time, went to Atlantic City for some beach and nightlife, and Oceanport for some racing at Monmouth. Philly's a mess.
Philly's been a 'mess' since the 1960's. I try not to go downtown when I go there - if you
do you stay on Chestnut St. A clue is that they actually 'buzz' you into banks there. First,
into a 'ho;ding cage' affair and then into the actual bank lobby.
I'll be there in Sept. and October but will be hangin with friends from the Main Line - no downtown visit.
Also read the other day that Philly's actually shrunk by about one third in the last two
decades ... now Phoenix is larger.
Philly is the city of my birth and my ancestors but I have little love for it anymore.
Philly is a good place to be from.
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The roofing company I worked for used work-release prisoners for awhile. They only got to keep $2 an hour of their earnings - the rest went to fines, court costs, restitution, sometimes back child support, some to the prison system and the balance, if any, into a savings account for their release.
Some of them were good workers others not so much but none of them stayed very long at all.
One time we got a guy on parole whose main claim to fame was that he had been incarcerated in seven different Federal prisons. We called him "Federal" - he had a tattoo of anthropomorphized female genitalia fleeing an anthropomorphized phallus with a caption that read "One ____ thing after another" About the 10th day or so that he worked for us he said that his car wouldn't start that morning so he "borrowed" his neighbor's car and left him a note. That was the last day we ever saw him.0 -
Dak,
That is simply the focus happening in our state. I'm just stating some facts on whats is indeed going on, it is what it is and I have not seen any proven results as of yet either. Here is a link with the details.
http://www.doc.mo.gov/reentry/MissouriReentryProcess.htm
quote:Originally posted by Dak To 68
quote:Originally posted by Jeepgod2002
This seems to be part of a growing trend in prisons. In Missouri 97% of inmates return to the community at some point, so the focus has turned from "hard time" to rehabilitation and preparation to be productive citizens as their release date nears.
Jeepgod2002,
I live in the City of Saint Louis and I flat guarantee you that rehabilitation of prisoners resulting in productive citizens upon release is more fantastic than Alice in Wonderland.0 -
So prisoners should just st on their a$$ in jail watching TV and paying video games? NOT!! Quite frankley I think they ALL should be REQUIRED to work. Unfortunately the ACLU has helped to pretty much eliminnate hard labor in prisons. Now prisoners get club med. Prison is no longer a punishment it's just a vacation from being on the street. 0
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