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  • Colt Super
    "Climate change" is the pc form of "Global warming".

    It is smoke and mirrors.

    D.
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  • newtgingrich
    I heard a report a few days ago that said the earth hasnt warmed any in the last 9 years.
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  • 11BravoCrunchie
    So basically, with the rising tides and storm surges, New Orleans will be submerged most of the summer, yes?
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  • Cameroon
    Maybe if we go back to life in the Middle Ages everything will be ok.
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  • Hunter Mag
    Well with the warming we will need to burn less fossil fuel to heat our homes thus reversing the effect eventually. Yes? LOL
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  • use enough gun
    Bring it on!! We just had the coldest March on record here. April ain't so good either, it's been snowing. Dave
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  • Blade Slinger
    Yea!! me to, sick of freezing my azz off, frekin snow every other day and cold every night,global warming my azz[}:)]



    quote:Originally posted by use enough gun
    Bring it on!! We just had the coldest March on record here. April ain't so good either, it's been snowing. Dave
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  • nord
    Alledan -

    I guess I sort of confused here. Just what are you saying?

    Global warming and cooling isn't exactly something new to this earth. Percentages of CO2 and O2 (along with other gasses) have varied dramatically since the beginning.

    As to recent history (the last 7500 years) it strikes me as strange that our climatologists and archaeologists don't get together a bit more often. I believe that it's generally accepted that the earth came out of an ice age about 10,000 years ago. With a mile of ice covering Canada and the northern fringes of the US, along with parts of Europe and Asia, I could see where sea levels might have been much lower than today. So what I don't understand is why a 4000 year old city like Troy was found over a mile inland and well above today's sea level. And Troy is by no means unique!

    Would it not be fair to say that our planet undergoes constant change? Would it not be reasonable to conclude that climate changes, sea levels change, and the environment changes on a fairly regular basis?

    While I'd agree that mankind should act in a responsible manner, I have a distinct feeling that we're giving ourselves too much credit if we think that we're more than a footnote in the process of world change.

    Seas will continue to rise and fall. Erosion will happen. Volcanoes will continue. Deserts will expand and shrink as will glaciers. It'll be warmer for a time, then cooler. Change is the norm, not the lack of change.

    What won't happen is what mankind desires most and understands the least... Change won't take place on our schedule. Rather, it will take place at whatever pace Mother Nature selects and we'll play such a small part as to be insignificant. Best we should understand that we play by nature's rules and be prepared for what will come. Best we accept that mankind is a mere pimple on earth's face and that we don't run the show.
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  • dakotashooter2
    NORD


    A+
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  • spryor
    quote:Originally posted by dakotashooter2
    NORD


    A+
    Yep, Nord nailed it.
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  • tsavo303
    + global warming is almost completely a political tool used by anti capitalitalists to attack the US. they never seem to be attacking china, do they?
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  • Mossbergboogie
    watched a debate between newt and kerry last night. They integrated china and india as place that need to change as we change too. Global warming climate change what ever you call it i really dont mind. Is it happening maybe maybe not. If it is we should become more efficent. If not what are we out.
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  • He Dog
    quote:Originally posted by Cameroon
    Maybe if we go back to life in the Middle Ages everything will be ok.


    Yeah that is what the Moslims think too. Oh, wait, they never left.
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  • shooter4
    Check this out. Its real scientists, not politicians.

    Get a drink and a chair. Its a little over an hour but worth it.


    http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=626993303&channel=79558311
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  • Don McManus
    Amazingly, we are also messing with Mars.

    But then again are not Spirit and Opportunity two of the greenest vehicles ever produced?

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

    On a serious note, one cannot with any credibility, suggest that the National Geographic is being influenced by those evil right-wing junk science Republicans.
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  • KSUmarksman
    quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
    "Climate change" is the pc form of "Global warming".

    It is smoke and mirrors.

    D.


    global warming is real, the controversy lies in whether we caused it or not.

    At any rate, even if humans are responsible, it is too late to make changes to stop it so we must have contingency plans to respond to teh changes themselves. (ie. beefing up power grids since more AC use will be a necessity; contingencies to transport water to areas which will experience shortages, etc.)

    One interesting idea I've heard is to convert the old single-hull tankers to water tankers. They are all slated for the scrap heap since international agreements dictate that oil tankers must be double hulled to prevent spills.
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  • spurgemastur
    It wasn't so many years ago that it was hard to find 4 voices on this board who would tolerate the slightest suggestion that GW might not make the best president.

    I wonder how many years before the norm around here is quiet acceptance of what the science has been telling us for five years now?

    Saying it ain't so don't make it not so.
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  • nord
    Spurge -

    The difference being what or whom is causing the change, not whether there is change. Man remains a minor player at best.
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  • newtgingrich
    quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
    + global warming is almost completely a political tool used by anti capitalitalists to attack the US. they never seem to be attacking china, do they?


    exactly
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  • spurgemastur
    quote:Originally posted by nord
    Spurge -

    The difference being what or whom is causing the change, not whether there is change. Man remains a minor player at best.


    I'll grant you that the 'what or who is responsible' question is less well established than the 'is it happening' question. Even so, the bulk of the evidence points compellingly to human activities.
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  • dlrjj
    Here's a fair breakdown of how many times we have swung back and forth from the scientific opinion that we were either going to freeze or boil since 1895. All of it supported, of course, by the media as being the only real "truth".

    http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2006/fireandice/fireandice.asp
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  • dcon12
    We have had Global Warming since the Ice Age. Don
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  • carbine100
    See even "green" vehicles will destroy a planet. Just two of them little rascals are causing global warming on Mars. Lets get rid of all cars. Ride horses....no, wait have to deforest to feed horses and the methane thing.....kill horses and eat them......no, meat bad.....eat grass.....no, methane thing again....smoke grass....no burning causes greenhouse gases...make brownies, yeah man brownies! Ya want some? Wow, things are cool now....just found the answer to global warming man.
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