Bear spray... yea that'll protect you
http://www.koaa.com/news/view.asp?ID=8201§ion=
Forest murder raises questions about wilderness safety
"This week, Alyssa Heberton-Morimoto, 24, was killed in the San Isabel National Forest in Park County. Her accused killer Robert Amos, a convicted murderer, was camping in the area."
"The wilderness is still the wilderness and you can't expect government services to be at your immediate aide if you don't know where you are at,"
- Even in the city can you expect them to be at your immediate aid? a 5 minute response time is often far too long, and what city has a 5 minute response time,50 minute is more like it.
"It forces many victims to think on their feet, until help comes along."
"He says bear spray is one tool that works well to defend yourself from an attacker."
-- You know what another tool that works well to defend yourself from an attacker? I was thinking a 1911. My family has never gone camping without at least my dads 9mm browning hipower, except in national parks where its not allowed, but the camp grounds there are always packed, and are anything but remote wilderness(but out on the trail is another matter.
As a side note, who knows how many rapes/murders occur in Yosemite each year? I remember years back they were having a real problem with women getting raped and murdered.
I guess its just not politically correct for them to recommend taking a gun with you when camping... bear spray... yea that will do it (see that thread of that marine getting pepper sprayed... it sure slowed her down a lot didn't it? oh wait... it didn't)
Forest murder raises questions about wilderness safety
"This week, Alyssa Heberton-Morimoto, 24, was killed in the San Isabel National Forest in Park County. Her accused killer Robert Amos, a convicted murderer, was camping in the area."
"The wilderness is still the wilderness and you can't expect government services to be at your immediate aide if you don't know where you are at,"
- Even in the city can you expect them to be at your immediate aid? a 5 minute response time is often far too long, and what city has a 5 minute response time,50 minute is more like it.
"It forces many victims to think on their feet, until help comes along."
"He says bear spray is one tool that works well to defend yourself from an attacker."
-- You know what another tool that works well to defend yourself from an attacker? I was thinking a 1911. My family has never gone camping without at least my dads 9mm browning hipower, except in national parks where its not allowed, but the camp grounds there are always packed, and are anything but remote wilderness(but out on the trail is another matter.
As a side note, who knows how many rapes/murders occur in Yosemite each year? I remember years back they were having a real problem with women getting raped and murdered.
I guess its just not politically correct for them to recommend taking a gun with you when camping... bear spray... yea that will do it (see that thread of that marine getting pepper sprayed... it sure slowed her down a lot didn't it? oh wait... it didn't)
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They say that Bear spray will not work on a bear, more than 3 times...after that you are screwed...I guess you can hope and pray that he hasn't been sprayed before. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
We lived in California most of our lives and although the laws absolutely do suck there, I believe you are within the law to "visibly" carry a sidearm within National Parks. The laws posted at National Park trail heads typically state "no shooting" which pertains to target practice and/or hunting. [;)]
As far as "bear spray" is concerned, you may be confusing that with CS pepper spray that is for use against a two legged assailant. Bear spray is more than effective on a person. That stuff is downright nasty! My wife and I both carry the 9.2 oz size UDAP bear spray, in addition to sidearms. I carry a .454 Freedom Arms and my wife carries a .357 S&W . [^]
I sell the UDAP...but I carry a .460 S&W.[;)]0 -
I'm not sure if the "Bear spray" is any good, but make sure you never get the roll on version, even if it is more environmentally friendly. 0 -
Bears are pretty smart, one would hope after 3 times the bear would learn not to mess with humans, the same way animals learn not to mess with skunks. Sure a skunk won't stop you in your tracks, but you(or any other predator) will typically choose to leave it alone.
I assume bear spray is the same basic stuff used in some sprays meant ot be used on humans, maybe more concentrated/the stream has a higher flow rate.
Its still not guaranteed to work on an attacker, and has an extremely limited range. Its also less of a deterrent, because a two legged attacker knows they are risking their life attacking someone with a gun, but only a few hours of pain if they attack someone with a spray.0 -
A hunting guide friend of mine told me a story once. Some "city boy" (as he reffered to him) went hunting in Alaska where he had to be flown in by helicopter and then would stay there for a few days and then the helicopter came to pick him up. When he was getting out, the pilot told him not to forget his bear spray. The pilot left and circled around to make sure he got out ok, and the hunter was rolling all over the ground. The pilot landed and got out to help, and the man had sprayed the bear spray on himself, thinking it would make him invisible to bears similar to bug spray.[xx(] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by fivefivesix
A hunting guide friend of mine told me a story once. Some "city boy" (as he reffered to him) went hunting in Alaska where he had to be flown in by helicopter and then would stay there for a few days and then the helicopter came to pick him up. When he was getting out, the pilot told him not to forget his bear spray. The pilot left and circled around to make sure he got out ok, and the hunter was rolling all over the ground. The pilot landed and got out to help, and the man had sprayed the bear spray on himself, thinking it would make him invisible to bears similar to bug spray.[xx(]
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[8D]--In California, it is LEGAL to carry any -loaded sidearm- in The National or BLM forrest--
--However, if you're staying in an Identified Fed/BLM campground with a required daily fee, NO loaded firearms, on the person (in the campground)--
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"Alyssa Heberton-Morimoto was carrying another handy tool--a two way radio GPS device. She called for help, but sadly sometimes even the best tools aren't enough."
She called for help. Is that like when you home burglar alarm goes off?
I bet if she had sprayed the murderer with bear spray he would have changed his mind.0 -
...Not that I would EVER carry in a National park but,...better to be prepared against the two legged animals...than to read the sign at the entry kiosk and not carry. I felled sekand garade reeding aniweigh...[;)] 
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No matter, the .44 mag super Redhawk still goes with me in bear country. Especially in-
Hell hole lake
Lake Davis.
Lassen & Shasta park.0 -
There is a work around if you ever go hiking and camping in state or federal forests that are posted "No Firearms." Get your CCW and carry it concealed.
That is what I had to do. I hike and camp where it is posted "No Firearms" and also you are not supposed to brandish a firearm on the trail. To get around all of this crap I got the CCW and now carry concealed.
Before I got the CCW I just went ahead and carried it open (non-concealed) and figured I would be better off carrying than not. I didn't want to carry concealed though without the CCW (don't want to go to jail).
I do carry the bear spray too but it only takes about 5 seconds to empty a can. Think about this.... If you are face to face with a large bear and empty your can of bear spray on it and it doesn't deter the critter, you had better have a backup plan.
My backup plan is the Ruger Alaskan 454 and my palm has the bruise to prove it.
I have seen bears charge at people on video and it is quite shocking. I would probably pee my pants if it happened to me.0 -
quote:Originally posted by qsecofr
There is a work around if you ever go hiking and camping in state or federal forests that are posted "No Firearms." Get your CCW and carry it concealed.
That is what I had to do. I hike and camp where it is posted "No Firearms" and also you are not supposed to brandish a firearm on the trail. To get around all of this crap I got the CCW and now carry concealed.
Before I got the CCW I just went ahead and carried it open (non-concealed) and figured I would be better off carrying than not. I didn't want to carry concealed though without the CCW (don't want to go to jail).
I do carry the bear spray too but it only takes about 5 seconds to empty a can. Think about this.... If you are face to face with a large bear and empty your can of bear spray on it and it doesn't deter the critter, you had better have a backup plan.
My backup plan is the Ruger Alaskan 454 and my palm has the bruise to prove it.
I have seen bears charge at people on video and it is quite shocking. I would probably pee my pants if it happened to me.
Well that sounds OK to me, but if CCW's are not recoginized as being a valid reason to carry a firearm on federally controlled property in the city, I have to ask how CCW becomes legal in a federal forest, campground, park, etc.?0 -
I get the impression that nobody posting on this thread has ever had a serious encounter with a bear. If you have emptied your bear spray can and the bear is still coming you probably won't be using that backup plan. 0 -
When I started this thread... I wasn't talking about being attacked by bears, but by humans.
I found the "bear spray" recommendation to be PC, but likely a poor choice against a convicted murderer (in this case, you have to wonder why he was free if he was convicted of murder- did they let him out, or did he escape?). I think if those park rangers weren't so worried about being PC they would have recommended carrying a gun.
I don't think a 1911 will save you from a charging bear.... I'd want an M-60 or M-2 for that, but a 1911 will definitely take down any human predators.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CA sucks
I think if those park rangers weren't so worried about being PC they would have recommended carrying a gun.
Yosemite--> More Speed traps and Park police than tourists.[:D]0 -
I'm not sure if the "Bear spray" is any good, but make sure you never get the roll on version, even if it is more environmentally friendly.
Now that's damn funny.0
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