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  • spanielsells
    Yep, I read about this in the paper. Bush really needs to pardon these two.
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  • HAIRY
    quote: I want to give you a first-hand report of my trip yesterday to Yazoo Federal Prison in Jackson, Mississippi yesterday, to visit with persecuted Border Patrol Agent Ignacio Ramos. Geesh, the guy doesn't know English. The word is PROSECUTED.
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  • v35
    The correct word in that context is persecuted.
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  • Highball
    Hairy can never be wrong. These vicious border patrol terrorists are safely in prison...and Hairys friends now are much safer crossing over. Thank God for small favors.
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  • IAMAHUSKER
    Hairy, this is an honest question. I will not even respond to your answer unless you want me to. Do you really think, judging by what you have heard, that these two deserve to be in prison?
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  • RunForest
    quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
    quote: I want to give you a first-hand report of my trip yesterday to Yazoo Federal Prison in Jackson, Mississippi yesterday, to visit with persecuted Border Patrol Agent Ignacio Ramos. Geesh, the guy doesn't know English. The word is PROSECUTED.


    No...PROSECUTED is what YOU should be...PERSECUTED is what you THINK you are :)
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  • HAIRY
    quote:Originally posted by IAMAHUSKER
    Hairy, this is an honest question. I will not even respond to your answer unless you want me to. Do you really think, judging by what you have heard, that these two deserve to be in prison?
    From what I've read, the jury examined the evidence presented by both sides and found them guilty.

    Now, the question is, should people who violate the law be in prison? They acted like vigilantes, IMO, and ignored the badge and its requirements.

    They were, again IMO, like some of our GIs in Iraq who go on a murder/robbery spree. Just because they are wearing a uniform, it doesn't make them free of following our laws.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    quote:Originally posted by v35
    The correct word in that context is persecuted.


    +1 Correct word usage.
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  • IAMAHUSKER
    You did not hear about the Director of DHS admitting that they lied about the evidence?
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  • HAIRY
    quote:Originally posted by IAMAHUSKER
    You did not hear about the Director of DHS admitting that they lied about the evidence?
    Yes, I have but there is no report available as to what was submitted to the jury as evidence.

    From what I've read, the lies refer to the interrogation of the agents and I simply don't know if that had a bearing on what the jury had before it or not.

    Does anyone know if falsified information was presented to the jury or not?

    If it had been, then the verdict should be put aside and a retrial ordered.

    So far, I have not heard if there has been a demand by the agent's attorneys to request an investigation either. If not, why not?
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  • CA sucks
    different juries vote different ways, you cant say blacks weren't persecuted in the south even though they got trial by jury, because the juries were white. If the jury was composed of illegal alien sympathizers, or "American" citizens whose parents are illegals, do you think they would be more likely to see a crime committed.

    When the jury set OJ free, did they make the right decision?

    I recognize that juries are presented with more evidence than me, but I also realize they are human and the consensus of a group of humans is fallible.

    Just because the jury convicted them, does not mean the sentence is just.
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  • Sperry
    quote:Originally posted by CA sucksI recognize that juries are presented with more evidence than me, Only if you are not there. Isn't it all public record?

    Wasn't a BP guy just given ten years for allegedly wounding a person, after shooting into their car/truck [after it tried to run them down]? And the wound was from a piece of metal to the lip, but not proved to be from the fired bullets? Not proved to even have been suffered during the BP response?

    You have to ask, "When is the crap gonna stop?"
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  • spanielsells
    quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
    quote: I want to give you a first-hand report of my trip yesterday to Yazoo Federal Prison in Jackson, Mississippi yesterday, to visit with persecuted Border Patrol Agent Ignacio Ramos. Geesh, the guy doesn't know English. The word is PROSECUTED.
    Wrong, slick. There's a word persecuted that is better fitting here.

    quote:per?se?cute /#712;p#604;rs#618;#716;kyut/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pur-si-kyoot] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    -verb (used with object), -cut?ed, -cut?ing.
    1. to pursue with harassing or oppressive treatment, esp. because of religion, race, or beliefs; harass persistently.
    2. to annoy or trouble persistently.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/persecuted
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  • HAIRY
    Try again, please.

    When one is brought before a court to be tried, one is being PROSECUTED. No harassment is taking place because of the ACTS of the person brought forth before the jury.
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  • spanielsells
    quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
    Try again, please.

    When one is brought before a court to be tried, one is being PROSECUTED. No harassment is taking place because of the ACTS of the person brought forth before the jury.
    Are you really this obtuse?

    The border guard is being beaten and abused while in prison. That's PERSECUTED.
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  • Horse Plains Drifter
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Hairy can never be wrong. These vicious border patrol terrorists are safely in prison...and Hairys friends now are much safer crossing over. Thank God for small favors.
    Good post.
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  • spanielsells
    quote:Originally posted by MT357
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Hairy can never be wrong. These vicious border patrol terrorists are safely in prison...and Hairys friends now are much safer crossing over. Thank God for small favors.
    Good post.
    ^5
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  • David Nunn
    The jury examined the evidence against Orenthal James Simpson and found him not guilty. Juries are not infallible.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    The jury examined the evidence against Orenthal James Simpson and found him not guilty. Juries are not infallible.


    Excellent point.
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  • spanielsells
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    The jury examined the evidence against Orenthal James Simpson and found him not guilty. Juries are not infallible.
    Can I get an Amen, brother?
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  • HAIRY
    Geez, people need to learn how to read. I've never said I was right but suggested (a new word for you?) that until we see ALL the evidence presented, one goes with the verdict of the jury.

    Re: OJ Simpson: If the police didn't lie, then, just perhaps, the jury might have found a way to convict OJ. As it was, the police lied and were found out.

    Planting evidence by the police is certainly not unknown, is it, Nunn?
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