Can you say BS on this
Federal government bans flag-folding recitations following one complaint
It is time for Christians to say enough is enough
In the latest attack on Christianity, the U.S. government has banned the flag-folding recitations at all 125 national cemeteries. The banning came as the result of one complaint! The situation is similar to that in which one person removed prayer from schools.
This article from The Associated Press explains the situation:
Complaints about religious content have led to a ban on flag-folding recitations by Veterans Administration employees and volunteers at all national cemeteries.
At thousands of military burials, VA volunteers have folded the American flag 13 times and recited the significance of each fold to survivors. The 11th fold glorifies "the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." The 12th glorifies "God the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost."
Citing a need for uniformity, the National Cemetery Administration has prohibited unpaid VA volunteers as well as employees from conducting the recital at all 125 national cemeteries.
American Legion attorney Rees Lloyd calls it "another attempt by secularist fanatics to cleanse any reference to God."
Following one complaint, the Veterans Administration has made anti-Christian bigotry the law of the land. The U.S. government has bowed to pressure from one radical anti-Christian secularist. Allowed to stand, the action by the Veterans Administration, in essence, means that anti-Christian bigotry is now the accepted and approved law of the land.
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It is time for Christians to say enough is enough
In the latest attack on Christianity, the U.S. government has banned the flag-folding recitations at all 125 national cemeteries. The banning came as the result of one complaint! The situation is similar to that in which one person removed prayer from schools.
This article from The Associated Press explains the situation:
Complaints about religious content have led to a ban on flag-folding recitations by Veterans Administration employees and volunteers at all national cemeteries.
At thousands of military burials, VA volunteers have folded the American flag 13 times and recited the significance of each fold to survivors. The 11th fold glorifies "the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." The 12th glorifies "God the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost."
Citing a need for uniformity, the National Cemetery Administration has prohibited unpaid VA volunteers as well as employees from conducting the recital at all 125 national cemeteries.
American Legion attorney Rees Lloyd calls it "another attempt by secularist fanatics to cleanse any reference to God."
Following one complaint, the Veterans Administration has made anti-Christian bigotry the law of the land. The U.S. government has bowed to pressure from one radical anti-Christian secularist. Allowed to stand, the action by the Veterans Administration, in essence, means that anti-Christian bigotry is now the accepted and approved law of the land.
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BORDER SECURITY FUNDING STRIPPED IN CONFERENCE COMMITTEE!!!!
CALL YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS NOW!
Yesterday, the conference committee on the Department of Defense Appropriations bill (H.R. 3222) stripped two critical provisions aimed at securing the border. The first provision stripped was an amendment offered by Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) and agreed to by unanimous consent that would have kept 6,000 National Guard troops on the border through September 30, 2008 (S.A. 3192). Members of the conference committee replaced this provision with language funding only 3,000 troops through July of 2008-consistent with the Bush Administration's plan to draw down the National Guard troops from the border. The second provision stripped would have authorized an additional $3 billion to be spent for increasing border patrol agents, building the fence border and funding the 287(g) program. This funding language was originally offered to the DOD Appropriations bill by Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and co-sponsored by 13 other Senators. The amendment (S.A. 3117) was adopted on a vote of 95 to 1.
These provisions were essentially the only serious and meaningful immigration reforms Congress passed this year. Yanking them out of the DOD Appropriations Bill is further proof that Congress is not serious about true immigration reform.
Please call your Congressman and Senators TODAY and demand that they restore this funding! Tell them that you want the Operation Jump Start provision and the $3 Billion Border Security provision put back into H.R. 3222, the Department of Defense Appropriations Bill!
Remind them that you opposed the Bush-Kennedy Amnesty bill because you wanted true immigration reform-not a reward for illegal activity. Tell your Members of Congress you are watching this issue and keeping track of how they vote!0 -
Screw them.
Enough is enough.
We should continue doing it, notify the media, and let them jail us.
Doug0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Screw them.
Enough is enough.
We should continue doing it, notify the media, and let them jail us.
Doug
Don't worry, soon they will.0 -
America is in her last days[V] 0 -
Most honor guards simply do not ask permission to do what they do. Why start now? 0 -
Who came up with this whole flag folding thing anyway... its kinda hokey and silly if you ask me. 0 -
DO IT ANYWAY...THERE IS ONLY ONE WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO 0 -
Very good Mosinnagant disciple when you crap out we don't care if they do or don't but it shows repect for those who served and honored 0 -
I say BS on that. 0 -
Matt -
Your turn.
Join the military and fight to defend us.
If you get zapped, I promise that we won't fold a flag to give to your loved ones.
Doug0 -
quote:Originally posted by MosinNagantDisciple
Who came up with this whole flag folding thing anyway... its kinda hokey and silly if you ask me.
Kinda like that cartoon in your sig line, huh?0 -
I think the flag folding shows great respect!
I would like to know more on the history of this tradition, who started it? and who was the first person to be honerd in this way?0 -
Well lets see mosin...I have served 25 years in the military. In that time I have folded many flags at retreat, retirements and funerals.
The last flag that was folded with me present was two months ago as we laid my father to rest...he served 28 years for his country and age and illness finally took its toll. I can tell you it meant alot to me, my brothers, my sister, the family and friends. But most of all it meant a great deal to my mother as the young Staff Sergeant knelt before her and recited those same words I had done on many occassions..."One behalf of the President of the United States, the United States Air Force and a grateful nation..."
So, it is far from hokey to those of us who served under that flag and still do. But as Doug said...we promise not to fold one for you and present to your family.0 -
Human beings need ceremony to mark the passing of loved ones, and many families depend on their religion to supply it. Since the First Amendment guarantees both the free exercise of religion and freedom from an imposed (established) religion, it seems to me that the family's wishes should govern what's included in the flag-folding ceremony. A Jewish or a Muslim family would hardly feel honored or consoled at hearing " Father, Son, and Holy Ghost." Mentioning "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" should go over fine with Christians, Jews, and Muslims, but what about Buddhists? Atheists?
I say give the grieving family the option of including, omitting, or modifying the ceremony.0 -
The Family directs the entire ceremony - including where the Flag fits in.
Actually, including whether there is any ceremony, at all.
Welcome to the Forum.
Doug
* edited to correct the spelling of "Flag"0 -
Thanks for clarifying how the ceremony works, Doug.
The policy sounds perfectly in line with the First Amendment as I read it. Seems that any family who wants the ceremony and can't have it could make a case for religious discrimination.
(Full disclosure: I'm not religious myself. However, I rejoice to live in a country where people can freely practice their religion.)0 -
My father a WWII vet, died in September of '06.
A flag ceremony was ordered, and 3 active duty soldiers showed up from Ft. Hood, an E-6 and 2 E-4's. I introduced myself to them and thanked them for coming to my father's internment at the cemetary.
When it was time, they took the flag from his casket -- and they didn't know how to fold it. After 4 tries, I stood up and took the flag from them and along with the funeral director, folded the flag correctly. I never said another word to the soldiers; they were assigned flag duty and weren't prepared. I did however, call their Bird Colonel Garrison Commander the following day and told him what happened. You can bet they know how to fold a flag now.0 -
every night when my cousin takes his flag down, he folds it.
I cant understand anyone in the military not knowing how to fold a flag,0 -
I'm not opposed to the flag folding itself, but trying to give 'symbolism' to each fold is what seems silly to me. The flag itself is symbolism enough, you don't need to come up with this whole elaborate backstory for it... sheesh. 0 -
August - Welcome to the GunBroker Forum side.
Doug0 -
quote:Originally posted by MosinNagantDisciple
I'm not opposed to the flag folding itself, but trying to give 'symbolism' to each fold is what seems silly to me. The flag itself is symbolism enough, you don't need to come up with this whole elaborate backstory for it... sheesh.
I was at my uncle's funeral who died in a Japanese POW camp in the Phillipines be buried once his remains were returned to the U.S. years later, and there was no such symbolism given to folding the flag then, and I participated in military funerals into the 1970s and no such symbolism was taken either. I don't know when such a tradition was started. Personally, I'd rather stay focused on the person being buried more than any one ceremonial event, but time has a way of changing customs.0
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