ATF interviewing NON-FFl's
Talked to 2 individuals that were interviewed by the ATF over the last 2 weeks. They are not FFL holders but I see them with a table at every gun show. The one guy is 72 and has been selling colts and kimbers for as long as I can remember. He told me they told him that he can collect all he wants, and he can sell his collection. But he cant knowingly purchase a gun to resell it.
His Question to ATF agent: How long does it have to be in my collection before I can sell it.?
ATF: It better be at least a year.
Any Thouoghts on this?
His Question to ATF agent: How long does it have to be in my collection before I can sell it.?
ATF: It better be at least a year.
Any Thouoghts on this?
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He may not have a year. Don 0 -
Chapter and verse of the regulation. Lots of folks that work for the guvmint make up things as they go. 0 -
If he bought it from a non-ffl, how the heck would they know when he bought it? 0 -
Any guns that I have for sale are at least 20 years old, Gee! when did I buy that one,, Hell I dont remember..[:D][:D] And dang few of em are on paper anywhere..[;)] 0 -
For a regular FFL. If he takes a firearm off his books, and adds it to his personal collection, then it must be at least a year before he sells it, if he does not want to use a form 4473. There is NO set time limit for NON FFLs.
I believe they intentionally left it open, so they can take it on a case by case basis. They are, making up, the one year time frame.
Since the have already talked to them, if I were those two guys, I'd me REAL careful, about what I bought and sold. The "talking to" may have been a warning. If the BATF wants to prosecute them, they will.0 -
There are no laws that state how long one has to own a gun before they can resell. I have personally bought guns at the range that were pretty much brand new. One was a guy that had just bought a new 7mm RUM and had bought 7mm RM ammo. He couldn't figure out why the bullets wouldn't fit. As I was about to explain to him that he had the wrong ammo, he exclaimed that it must be crappy quality control and asked me if I wanted to buy it. I asked him how much and he said $300. I said sure and wrote him a check right there. I then turned around and traded the gun in on a new shotgun (I got $600 in trade for it). 0 -
I "swap" stuff around on a fairly frequent basis myself.
I have often wondered about this question,......probably would take some amount of volume to draw attention.
I hope!0 -
if you knowingly purchase a gun [non ffl] to resale for profit..big no no..I believe its 72hrs before you can resale period..someone will come along with the right answer ..I'm sure...Loko 0 -
quote:Originally posted by LOKO383
if you knowingly purchase a gun [non ffl] to resale for profit..big no no..I believe its 72hrs before you can resale period..someone will come along with the right answer ..I'm sure...Loko
At least you waited the 72 hours![:D][;)]0 -
you get a gun, take it home, and decide you don't like it, then what?
or more likely for some of us, wife says get rid of it...0 -
quote:Originally posted by LOKO383
if you knowingly purchase a gun [non ffl] to resale for profit..big no no..I believe its 72hrs before you can resale period..someone will come along with the right answer ..I'm sure...Loko
There is NO time limitation!
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I know for a fact if you buy a gun from an undercover ATF agent and an hour later another ATF agent buys that particular gun you will be found guilt of dealing without a license in a Federal Court. Happened to a friend of mine a couple years ago. He lost over 100 guns besides serving time under house arrest, and when that is over probation, plus his gun ownership rights are gone. But at the same time he was dealing, but that buying and then immediatly selling is what got him arrested and his guns consficated. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by LOKO383
I believe its 72hrs before you can resale period.
Please show me this law.0 -
The ATF can go screw themselves. I'm amazed they haven't been put in check yet by a pissed off gun owner and a good lawyer.[:(!]
Land of the free, home of the brave.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 41 nut
I know for a fact if you buy a gun from an undercover ATF agent and an hour later another ATF agent buys that particular gun you will be found guilt of dealing without a license in a Federal Court. Happened to a friend of mine a couple years ago. He lost over 100 guns besides serving time under house arrest, and when that is over probation, plus his gun ownership rights are gone. But at the same time he was dealing, but that buying and then immediatly selling is what got him arrested and his guns consficated.
this is exactly what I was referring to, although this happened to a friends father who sold guns at a flea market, he too lost all guns and rights..plus alot of money from his wallet..he was told this [buy arresting agents],you can not buy or trade and directly resale or trade at the flea market/gun show or anywhere else...dunno but I am not willing to find out
pickenup..didn't say it was a law,..but this action above was what I was referring to when I said that..I couldn't find any info on the ATF site..and my interpretation of the law would not be good enough for the ATF I'm sure of that..[:D]..I did search last night but like said,I could find NO reference to anything pertaining to this
subject..Loko..0 -
sometimes people buy guns to swap parts.
case in point, i had a winchester model 12 with the wrong wood on it. bought it ages ago cheap because of it.
i recently saw a m12 with a cutts comp on it but it had the right wood. i bought the gun, swapped wood, and turned around and sold the cutts gun with wrong wood. it sold fast because the whole gun became wrong and cheaper, and someone just wanted it to hunt with and didnt care about right. i put the right wood on my right m12 and it became a rare gun.
that is a form of collecting. atf cant say its illegal.
theyre more concerned about pistols and multi-purchases.
they should leave the little guy alone.0 -
When you go to trial, it wil be in front of a jury of gunhaters.
You're condemned before the trial begins. To many "gun dealer" is as bad as "drug dealer".0
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