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NRA Lawsuit: New Orleans Gun Owners' Rights Violated During Katrina Firearm Seizures
Wednesday, December 26, 2007
NEW ORLEANS -
The National Rifle Association has hired private investigators to find hundreds of people whose firearms were seized by city police in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, according to court papers filed this week.
The NRA is trying to locate gun owners for a federal lawsuit that the lobbying group filed against Mayor Ray Nagin and Police Superintendent Warren Riley over the city's seizure of firearms after the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.
In the lawsuit, the NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation claim the city violated gun owners' constitutional right to bear arms and left them "at the mercy of roving gangs, home invaders, and other criminals" after Katrina.
The NRA says the city seized more than 1,000 guns that weren't part of any criminal investigation after the hurricane. Police have said they took only guns that had been stolen or found in abandoned homes.
NRA lawyer Daniel Holliday said investigators have identified about 300 of the gun owners and located about 75 of them. Some of them could be called to testify during a trial, he added.
"Finding these folks has been a nightmare," Holliday said. "That is really the guts of our case - to establish that there was indeed a pattern of the police going out and taking people's guns without any legal reason to do so."
In April 2006, police made about 700 firearms available for owners to claim if they could present a bill of sale or an affidavit with the weapon's serial number.
An attorney for the city and a police department spokesman didn't return a reporter's telephone calls Wednesday.
Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Bellevue, Wash.-based Second Amendment Foundation, said the police department has returned only about 100 of the 1,000 seized guns.
"Obviously, we don't expect the city to find everybody. We only wanted to see a good-faith effort, and that's what the city didn't do," Gottlieb added. "It's a bad example to let them get away with it."
In court papers filed Monday, NRA attorneys say finding the gun owners has been difficult because the storm has scattered so many residents.
New Orleans had an estimated 455,000 residents before Katrina, but less than two-thirds of that number live there now.
The NRA is asking for a delay in the trial, set to begin Feb. 19, saying they need more time to find gun owners. U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier had not yet ruled on the request Wednesday.
NRA Lawsuit: New Orleans Gun Owners' Rights Violated During Katrina Firearm Seizures
Wednesday, December 26, 2007
NEW ORLEANS -
The National Rifle Association has hired private investigators to find hundreds of people whose firearms were seized by city police in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, according to court papers filed this week.
The NRA is trying to locate gun owners for a federal lawsuit that the lobbying group filed against Mayor Ray Nagin and Police Superintendent Warren Riley over the city's seizure of firearms after the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.
In the lawsuit, the NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation claim the city violated gun owners' constitutional right to bear arms and left them "at the mercy of roving gangs, home invaders, and other criminals" after Katrina.
The NRA says the city seized more than 1,000 guns that weren't part of any criminal investigation after the hurricane. Police have said they took only guns that had been stolen or found in abandoned homes.
NRA lawyer Daniel Holliday said investigators have identified about 300 of the gun owners and located about 75 of them. Some of them could be called to testify during a trial, he added.
"Finding these folks has been a nightmare," Holliday said. "That is really the guts of our case - to establish that there was indeed a pattern of the police going out and taking people's guns without any legal reason to do so."
In April 2006, police made about 700 firearms available for owners to claim if they could present a bill of sale or an affidavit with the weapon's serial number.
An attorney for the city and a police department spokesman didn't return a reporter's telephone calls Wednesday.
Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Bellevue, Wash.-based Second Amendment Foundation, said the police department has returned only about 100 of the 1,000 seized guns.
"Obviously, we don't expect the city to find everybody. We only wanted to see a good-faith effort, and that's what the city didn't do," Gottlieb added. "It's a bad example to let them get away with it."
In court papers filed Monday, NRA attorneys say finding the gun owners has been difficult because the storm has scattered so many residents.
New Orleans had an estimated 455,000 residents before Katrina, but less than two-thirds of that number live there now.
The NRA is asking for a delay in the trial, set to begin Feb. 19, saying they need more time to find gun owners. U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier had not yet ruled on the request Wednesday.
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Just wondering-What is GOA doing about this?
I am sure they are whining about the NRA but what are they doing about getting guns back to owners in NOLA?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Warpig883
Just wondering-What is GOA doing about this?
I am sure they are whining about the NRA but what are they doing about getting guns back to owners in NOLA?
I asked the same question. Perhaps you will get an answer.0 -
For all the bad mouthing the NRA gets on this forum, has anyone stopped to think where our gun rights would be today had there not been an NRA? Is the NRA perfect? NO, not by a long shot, but the firearm freedoms we enjoy today can be directly attributed to the battles the NRA has fought in the past. If the NRA had not been fighting for our rights since their inception we would not be able to own a cap pistol today. 0 -
Has anyone noticed how many GB members have dropped their affiliation with the NRA from their signature lines ??
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quote:Originally posted by e8gm
For all the bad mouthing the NRA gets on this forum, has anyone stopped to think where our gun rights would be today had there not been an NRA? Is the NRA perfect? NO, not by a long shot, but the firearm freedoms we enjoy today can be directly attributed to the battles the NRA has fought in the past. If the NRA had not been fighting for our rights since their inception we would not be able to own a cap pistol today.
If the NRA had not been compromising our rights away all of these years, we'd still have a lot more rights than we have right now. There is absolutely NO NEED TO COMPROMISE. We have the numbers...the voting block that must be reckoned with. The NRA is a wolf in sheep's clothing.0 -
Glad someone said it!
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Yep, that darn ol' NRA don't never do nuthin for gun rights or gun owners. Well, except for the above. And CCW laws in various states. And Castle Doctrine. And.......oh, never mind.0 -
See some folks are still wearing tin foil hats and crying that the sky is falling. 0 -
The Motto of the Commonwealth of KY is "United we stand Divided we Fall" Gun owners need to think about this. NRA, GOA, everything else, We need to get together 0 -
quote:Originally posted by wwg55
The Motto of the Commonwealth of KY is "United we stand Divided we Fall" Gun owners need to think about this. NRA, GOA, everything else, We need to get together
And sellout????????????
No damn thank you! I want no part of the NRA sellout plans!0 -
quote:See some folks are still wearing tin foil hats and crying that the sky is falling
BRAVO !!!..Spoken like a true gun controller.
The line will be drawn between those able to read the Second Amendment and find grounds for government control of firearms...and those who don't.
By the way...I ALWAYS invite you boys to come on over to the side of RIGHT...get thee AWAY from the Dark side.
JOIN with those of us SUPPORTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT;
NO FEDERAL LAWS ON FIREARMS !!!
You boys that see nothing but tremendous gains in CCW's, Castle Doctrines and such government permissions for you to defend your own life are dreaming. You have not a clue about freedom..and therefore your defense of the NRA is understandably. Perhaps some day, you will take the time to study the situation.
You will perhaps understand the difference between a "God Given Right"...and the unabashed licking of your Masters hand to beg premission to exercise his permission to own a gun, or to shoot the piece of snit that just broke into your home...
Perhaps...but I doubt it.
Too many years of brain-washing, of endless propaganda.."You are allowed to do NOTHING unless given permission by your Master"...
SCREW the Constitution...'nothing but a dirty old piece of snitpaper'..I think your hero called it...0 -
Highball Sounds Like you guys need to form a new organizatio. to lead the fight. 0 -
JOIN with those of us SUPPORTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT;
NO FEDERAL LAWS ON FOREARMS !!!
Elbows EITHER!!0 -
quote:NO FEDERAL LAWS ON FOREARMS !!!"[/i]
Elbows EITHER!!
okay...OKAY !!!
Damed hard to be a demagogue...when there is all these spell-checkers about...[:D][:D]0 -
Seriously, Highball. Is the GOA currently working to roll back the restrictions you so hate?
I'm not baiting you. I mean that as a serious question. Because if they actually are, I'll join up in a heartbeat.
I just think you we have to face the reality you we inhabit and not the beautiful country we all wish we had.
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I have to do that all the time too[:D]0 -
Colonel;
The short answer is. No.
I personally believe that the time is past to change the situation through political means.
I harp on the NRA for one purpose..to alert the members to the direction the NRA is taking them.
Many...if not most..NRA members support gun control...in one form or another.
Most have NEVER been exposed to the Second Amendment given in the form it was intended..that there is absolutely no place in the Constitution for a strong central government to be limiting weapons to the general public...and to allow the Beast to do so is the same as cutting your own throat...and your childrens' throat.
That, simply put, is my position.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Colonel;
The short answer is. No.
I personally believe that the time is past to change the situation through political means.
I harp on the NRA for one purpose..to alert the members to the direction the NRA is taking them.
Many...if not most..NRA members support gun control...in one form or another.
Most have NEVER been exposed to the Second Amendment given in the form it was intended..that there is absolutely no place in the Constitution for a strong central government to be limiting weapons to the general public...and to allow the Beast to do so is the same as cutting your own throat...and your childrens' throat.
That, simply put, is my position.
Fair enough and well put.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
As I pointed out to a friend who wouldn't join the NRA because he couldn't see anything "they" were doing:
"The NRA isn't a 'them.' It's an 'us.'"
The issues surrounding the NRA and their historical and continuing complicity in gun-control is a much larger and more complex issue than "them" and "us".
Sound bites don't cut the mustard on this issue.0 -
quote:The NRA wants you to think . . . .
...problem is, they don't. They know that if you start thinking for yourself, they are screwed.0 -
I quit the NRA a long time ago! I can't support a group that will back off and compromise gun rights away from us. They don't have the nads to stand and fight! 0
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