Flying Xmas pistol home to another State
Gave My Wifes Son a pistol for Christmas. He flew in (to Florida)from Houston and will be returning after New Years. What are the regulations he must follow to get it to Houston? In checked baggage OK?
Need to declare it?
Thanks.
Need to declare it?
Thanks.
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You need to have a seperate LOCKED case for the gun to travel in.
And yes you definatly have to declare it!!!
Go to the web site of whatever airline he is taking and check for more specific rules.
If i remember right, there is a special form you have to fill out.0 -
Thanks, Checked Continentals site. Definately a locked case and declared. Did not see a form required for in the US but will check again. Says Ammo can go in the same case.
Anybody have trouble when following these regulations?0 -
quote:Originally posted by bayl778
Thanks, Checked Continentals site. Definately a locked case and declared. Did not see a form required for in the US but will check again. Says Ammo can go in the same case.
Anybody have trouble when following these regulations?
Normaly if you follow all of the regulation you shouldn't have any troubles.
I would put the ammo in a seperate case, because some airlines require it.
A friend of mine had to fill a form out when travely out of the U.S. with his guns and that was what i was referring too. I don't think there are any forms when traveling inside the U.S.0 -
I would recomend shipping it to himself via UPS rather than doing it on the airlines. It will be less hastle in the long run and is 100% legal without a FFL in the works. 0 -
The last time I shipped a pistol, I think it was Fed EX it cost $70! Only a few months ago. It was hassle free however. My thinking at this time is that for $70 I can buy a nice lockable pistol case and he will have something for future use. However I don't know about the hassle. 0 -
If you live in Florida and he lives in Texas the only legal way you can give him a handgun is to send the handgun to a dealer in Texas to do the required paperwork before transfering it to him. Federal law prohibits transfering a firearm to a person not a resident of the state you live in. Therefore however he transports it back to Texas will be in violation of Federal law. When he gets back home have him send a copy of his dealers FFL to you and then ship the gun to the dealer. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 41 nut
If you live in Florida and he lives in Texas the only legal way you can give him a handgun is to send the handgun to a dealer in Texas to do the required paperwork before transfering it to him. Federal law prohibits transfering a firearm to a person not a resident of the state you live in. Therefore however he transports it back to Texas will be in violation of Federal law. When he gets back home have him send a copy of his dealers FFL to you and then ship the gun to the dealer.
My understanding on this is if it is imediate family you are allowed to give as a gift regaurdless of the state boundries on a face to face transfer. But I may be wrong.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bayl778
The last time I shipped a pistol, I think it was Fed EX it cost $70! Only a few months ago. It was hassle free however. My thinking at this time is that for $70 I can buy a nice lockable pistol case and he will have something for future use. However I don't know about the hassle.
Well, I may be wrong (I thought I was wrong once before but I was mistaken) but an airline declaration INCLUDES the make, model and serial number. Anybody want to believe that certain law enforcement agencies aren't privy to the serial numbers of firearms shipped via airlines?
I admit to being unsure about FEDEX/UPS shipping. I know that when I did a job a few years ago and was interfacing with FEDEX, I learned that FEDEX has its "own" Federal Law Enforcement Officers, similar to the Railroad Agents. In fact, I think the same laws were basically in place to give FEDEX the same kind of authority.
Surely someone out there can fill me on the details of shipping the firearm by UPS/FEDEX -?0 -
41 NUT, I was wondering about that. He used to live here a year ago and is really picking up a gun that kinda was his. Can't he just take it home with him? There is no registration in either state. I obviously don't want any trouble for him or me. 0 -
41 NUT, DANO, do you agree no FFL is needed? 0 -
Airline form has never invoilved make, model, sn, etc etc etc. It is a declaration that you are checking an UNLOADED firearm. DO go to the airline website. Ammo must be in boxes, NOT in magazine (unless mag has a cover that encloses top round) BE SURE THE WEAPON IS UNLOADED. Have a separate, lockable container that will fit inside other baggage. When you approach the check in counter (write this down) you want to say "I need to declare an unloaded firearm in my CHECKED baggage." DO NOT say "I have a gun." Airline staff will have you display that the arm is unloaded, complete declaration form, return arm to case, lock it. Be sure that no ammo is in your carry on baggage. Print a copy of the airline regs, take with you. Have had good experience in general traveling with weapons- but had one joker insist that I had to disassemble one weapon (No- you don't) 0 -
Insure the hell out of it however you can. My friend's father checked a bunch of handguns on an airline when they moved and ended up receiving empty cases upon arrival. The airline has little responsibility for replacing firearms. It's only something like $200 max. It's not written anywhere on any of the paperwork you get but part of laws regulating airlines. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bayl778
41 NUT, I was wondering about that. He used to live here a year ago and is really picking up a gun that kinda was his. Can't he just take it home with him? There is no registration in either state. I obviously don't want any trouble for him or me.
Thats different. He's picking up his own gun. It was his gun, he moved, now he's come back to get it and take it home with him. Thats legal. I don't know anything about taking a firearm on a plane as I will not fly. But what I would do if I was him is ship it to myself at my address in Texas.0 -
Thanks for the replies. He is flying back on the 3rd I'll let you know how it goes.
As of now we will use a unmarked locked pistol case, no ammo, and declare that in the case is his unloaded firearm that is being transported to his home and follow their instructions.
There is a copy of the various airline regulations on the NRA website
that seems to agree with this approach. I will give him a copy of it.0 -
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=70
Call the airline he's flying in advance. then go to their website and print their regulations bring a copy with him when he checks in and has to declare it acc. to federal law.
I used to fly in and out of non -gun friendly Chicago before 911 and even then it was interesting with the clerks. I would normally get the "deer in the headlights look" when declaring firearms at check in.
He does defiantly have to check the pistol in a separate case from any ammo and most airlines restrict the amount of ammo . ether by weight or how many rounds. ( if he can do without any ammo, that would be even better.)
If it was me, I'd try to avoid a small case that screams "gun" or even a small sized bag that would be easily stolen by a sneaky baggage handler. Stuff has been known to disappear.
TSA website on transporting.....
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm
Take note: quote:We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain present during screening to take the key back after the container is cleared. If you are not present and the security officer must open the container, we or the airline will make a reasonable attempt to contact you. If we can't contact you, the container will not be placed on the plane. Federal regulations prohibit unlocked gun cases (or cases with broken locks) on aircraft.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
Airline form has never invoilved make, model, sn, etc etc etc.
I flew Delta from Atlanta to Boston four years ago and shipped my service issued sidearm. Delta recorded all of that information. Perhaps the rules have changed since then.0 -
He took the pistol yesterday on DELTA. A non event. Declared he had a unloaded hand gun in a locked case in his baggage, they checked it in and moved on. 0 -
correct me if im wrong, but you said "your wifes son." he's not your son unless you adopted him, therefore its not family. make real sure youre within ffl and batf rules here. it can appear as a straw purchase to some since the papers you filled out will go on the deep forgotten records as you being the owner. 0
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