SON'S PAST DEEDS COME BACK TO BITE..
SUPPOSEDLY HANGED A DOG AND WAS ARRESTED FOR A LOADED GUN IN LUGGAGE.
Dogged: An incident involving his son David could hurt HuckabeeCAMPAIGN 2008
A Son's Past Deeds Come Back To Bite Huckabee
As Mike Huckabee gains in the polls, the former Arkansas governor is finding that his record in office is getting more scrutiny. One issue likely to get attention is his handling of a sensitive family matter: allegations that one of his sons was involved in the hanging of a stray dog at a Boy Scout camp in 1998. The incident led to the dismissal of David Huckabee, then 17, from his job as a counselor at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, Ark. It also prompted the local prosecuting attorney- bombarded with complaints generated by a national animal-rights group-to write a letter to the Arkansas state police seeking help investigating whether David and another teenager had violated state animal-cruelty laws. The state police never granted the request, and no charges were ever filed. But John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request. Bailey, a career officer who had been appointed chief by Huckabee's Democratic predecessor, said he viewed the lawyer's intervention as improper and terminated the conversation. Seven months later, he was called into Huckabee's office and fired. "I've lost confidence in your ability to do your job," Bailey says Huckabee told him. One reason Huckabee cited was "I couldn't get you to help me with my son when I had that problem," according to Bailey. "Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son," says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a "courageous" and "very solid" professional.
Huckabee called Bailey's account "totally untrue" and described him as a "bitter" exemployee. "I asked him to resign because he had so alienated the entire state police," he said. "It had nothing to do with my son." Brenda Turner, Huckabee's then chief of staff, and Kevin Crass, the Huckabee family lawyer, also disputed Bailey's account, although both acknowledged talking to him about the dog killing. "I asked him, 'Is it normal for the state police to . investigate something that happened at a Boy Scout camp?' " Turner says. "We wanted the same treatment that anybody else would get." (Animal cruelty in Arkansas is a misdemeanor, not a felony.)
The details of the incident remain murky. The Animal Legal Defense Fund got an anonymous fax that summer alleging that David Huckabee and another youth had been involved in the hanging of a stray dog at the camp on July 11. A local animal-rights activist, Joyce Hillard, later contacted the camp director. Notes of Hillard's report to the defense fund read, "Boys confessed & were fired. Dir. is making excuses, saying dog was sic & boys were putting him out of his misery." (The director told NEWSWEEK only that a stray dog was "put down" and that the counselors were fired for violating the Scout credo to be "kind.") The father of the other counselor was quoted by the Arkansas Democrat Gazette in August 1998 as saying that his son found the dog "hung over a limb and choking." David Huckabee did not respond to requests for comment.
(In April of this year, he was arrested-and paid a fine-when he forgot to remove a loaded gun from his carry-on luggage at Little Rock airport.)
His father told NEWSWEEK that his son did not engage in "intentional torture." "There was a dog that apparently had mange and was absolutely, I guess, emaciated." A campaign official says David "regrets" the incident and notes that he later made Eagle Scout.
Dogged: An incident involving his son David could hurt HuckabeeCAMPAIGN 2008
A Son's Past Deeds Come Back To Bite Huckabee
As Mike Huckabee gains in the polls, the former Arkansas governor is finding that his record in office is getting more scrutiny. One issue likely to get attention is his handling of a sensitive family matter: allegations that one of his sons was involved in the hanging of a stray dog at a Boy Scout camp in 1998. The incident led to the dismissal of David Huckabee, then 17, from his job as a counselor at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, Ark. It also prompted the local prosecuting attorney- bombarded with complaints generated by a national animal-rights group-to write a letter to the Arkansas state police seeking help investigating whether David and another teenager had violated state animal-cruelty laws. The state police never granted the request, and no charges were ever filed. But John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request. Bailey, a career officer who had been appointed chief by Huckabee's Democratic predecessor, said he viewed the lawyer's intervention as improper and terminated the conversation. Seven months later, he was called into Huckabee's office and fired. "I've lost confidence in your ability to do your job," Bailey says Huckabee told him. One reason Huckabee cited was "I couldn't get you to help me with my son when I had that problem," according to Bailey. "Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son," says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a "courageous" and "very solid" professional.
Huckabee called Bailey's account "totally untrue" and described him as a "bitter" exemployee. "I asked him to resign because he had so alienated the entire state police," he said. "It had nothing to do with my son." Brenda Turner, Huckabee's then chief of staff, and Kevin Crass, the Huckabee family lawyer, also disputed Bailey's account, although both acknowledged talking to him about the dog killing. "I asked him, 'Is it normal for the state police to . investigate something that happened at a Boy Scout camp?' " Turner says. "We wanted the same treatment that anybody else would get." (Animal cruelty in Arkansas is a misdemeanor, not a felony.)
The details of the incident remain murky. The Animal Legal Defense Fund got an anonymous fax that summer alleging that David Huckabee and another youth had been involved in the hanging of a stray dog at the camp on July 11. A local animal-rights activist, Joyce Hillard, later contacted the camp director. Notes of Hillard's report to the defense fund read, "Boys confessed & were fired. Dir. is making excuses, saying dog was sic & boys were putting him out of his misery." (The director told NEWSWEEK only that a stray dog was "put down" and that the counselors were fired for violating the Scout credo to be "kind.") The father of the other counselor was quoted by the Arkansas Democrat Gazette in August 1998 as saying that his son found the dog "hung over a limb and choking." David Huckabee did not respond to requests for comment.
(In April of this year, he was arrested-and paid a fine-when he forgot to remove a loaded gun from his carry-on luggage at Little Rock airport.)
His father told NEWSWEEK that his son did not engage in "intentional torture." "There was a dog that apparently had mange and was absolutely, I guess, emaciated." A campaign official says David "regrets" the incident and notes that he later made Eagle Scout.
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Who the hell hung the damn dog? Know what? Somewhere around ten or six years ago one of my relatives had a little screw with his bosses wife. Whatcha gonna do now? Put my skinny ass in jail? Ruin my daughter's life? Have my uncle arrested? Destroy every career for every family on earth that has the family name Kelly? Disqualify all Kellys from now to doomsday from being eligible to run for office?
Beth, ain't talkin' about you now darlin"..0 -
If thats all they can find on him Id say he's got it in the bag. I believe Huckabee. Its just a last ditch effort to defame his character which is gonna be hard to do. 0 -
I just posted it guys, but its all over the news, and if this is the candidate of choice (yours) then perhaps a bit of support is needed...
The loaded gun though?...How do you forget to take it out?...0 -
If he tried to cover up his sons mis-deeds, is that who we want for president? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
If he tried to cover up his sons mis-deeds, is that who we want for president?
Shows that he is human, looking out for his family.
What do suppose he should have done? Had the DA go after him, stick him in jail? What?
Hope he pulled the kid aside and had a word of prayer with him. If so, looks like it took, hasn't been in trouble since. Forgot to take his piece out of his baggage. So what? Big deal, I've walked into an airport before packing, realized what I was doing, went out to the car and then came back to fly.
Believe that I'd probably vote for him. Gulliani I don't trust. A man who cheats on his wife (wives) will surely cheat another man. McCain, anybody ever see the movie "The Manchurian Candidate"?0 -
"The loaded gun though?...How do you forget to take it out?..."
Gee, I dunno- why don't you ask Senator Jim Webb of Virginia?[:p]
Seriously, with all the crap the Bill pulled while in office- and Hillary gets a pass on HER relatives (Bill) ??? BTW- while I was doing time in the Infantry, had a brother doing time. I am not responsible for actions of any person other than myself- and neither is Huckabee- or any other candidate.0 -
quote:Originally posted by A J Christ
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
If he tried to cover up his sons mis-deeds, is that who we want for president?
Shows that he is human, looking out for his family.
What do suppose he should have done? Had the DA go after him, stick him in jail? What?
Hope he pulled the kid aside and had a word of prayer with him. If so, looks like it took, hasn't been in trouble since. Forgot to take his piece out of his baggage. So what? Big deal, I've walked into an airport before packing, realized what I was doing, went out to the car and then came back to fly.
Believe that I'd probably vote for him. Gulliani I don't trust. A man who cheats on his wife (wives) will surely cheat another man. McCain, anybody ever see the movie "The Manchurian Candidate"?
Gee I don't know, how about not abusing his position as governor by influencing the investigation?
Just think what junior can have dad cover up when dad is in the white house.......0 -
Hell I dont know of ANY politician that doesnt have some skeleton in the closet.
So his son "might" have done this deed at the camp. Is it a bad thing? Yes, but it is in the past and the kid seems to be pretty good now.
Lets see what else we have...Teddy ran off a bridge and left a girl to die (manslaughter) and never did a day in jail. His brother (JFK) appears to have had an affair or affairs...was a President. The whole Kennedy clan (mafia, whatever) seems to always be in trouble, but no one really seems to give them much thought and keeps putting them in office.
I would never run for office...I have skeletons and they really dont ever need to see the light of day again. [:p]0 -
quote:Originally posted by medic07
Hell I dont know of ANY politician that doesnt have some skeleton in the closet.
So his son "might" have done this deed at the camp. Is it a bad thing? Yes, but it is in the past and the kid seems to be pretty good now.
Lets see what else we have...Teddy ran off a bridge and left a girl to die (manslaughter) and never did a day in jail. His brother (JFK) appears to have had an affair or affairs...was a President. The whole Kennedy clan (mafia, whatever) seems to always be in trouble, but no one really seems to give them much thought and keeps putting them in office.
I would never run for office...I have skeletons and they really dont ever need to see the light of day again. [:p]
You failed to hit any that I would even consider voting for[}:)]0 -
LOL...sorry gizmo.
There are very few I would vote for. The problem is we have to choose the lesser of evils. No politician will EVER match up with my beliefs 100% (or anyone elses I suspect), so I choose the one that meets my critical areas of beliefs.
Problem with that is they will say what they want you to hear or they will forget where they came from once they get into office and vote to preserve their bloated political a$$ and career.0 -
I will go to the wall for any of my Children.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
I will go to the wall for any of my Children.
Doug
I won't vote for you either[}:)].............0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
I will go to the wall for any of my Children.
Doug
I will go to the wall-et for my children. [8D]
That's why it's always empty.0 -
this is a bad sign, just ask clinton, and jimmy carter about their brothers 0 -
It truly is a bad sign. I read once that sex offenders often had a past history of abusing animals. A kid where I grew would torture his dad's chickens. I always expected to hear that he had committed some kind of sex offense. 0 -
Political dirt nowadays does not seem to create much concern among voters. Smoking dope forty years ago would have made a big difference, and did. However, today, dope, sex, and committed separatist activities does little more than get a headline or two. Huckabee is in a position to take a great deal of criticism when compared to Romney and Giuliani who represent New England elites and the status quo. In my opinion, if either Romney or Giuliani win the ticket a great many would be GOP voters will bail out, and the democrats will win the presidency. 0 -
If I have to start answering for my bone headed sons's actions, I'm sunk.[V] 0 -
I don't care; we all have turds in our toilet, he is human not the devine one comming to save the world.
Mike is no diferent than any other meathead politican running for POTUS except Ron Paul. Ron Paul "gets it."0 -
I dont know kimi.
I see the Dems putting the following ticket up in the spring: Obama with Clinton as the VP. They know the country isnt ready for a female...at least not Hillary.
On the Repub side of the house, we have problems. Guiliani is so wishy washy that most people dont trust him to be President.
Romney is not really trusted either.
I think the best ticket would be Huckabee with Thompson as VP. I just dont see it happening as neither are considered "power players" in the Elitist Circle. Money talks...and they dont have the money to talk unfortunately.
Once again we will be stuck with choosing the lesser of two evils. The average John Q Public can no longer run for President of this country...you have to be a millionaire and be well connected. Just look how much money these candidates are spending.
Along those lines, the national debt is astronomical and people are willing to shell out money hand over fist for these candidates (Paul raised $6 million in one day) via the web and $5k a plate dinners to finance a campaign...why cant they do this to pay the debt off?0 -
quote:Originally posted by medic07
I dont know kimi.
I see the Dems putting the following ticket up in the spring: Obama with Clinton as the VP. They know the country isnt ready for a female...at least not Hillary.
On the Repub side of the house, we have problems. Guiliani is so wishy washy that most people dont trust him to be President.
Romney is not really trusted either.
I think the best ticket would be Huckabee with Thompson as VP. I just dont see it happening as neither are considered "power players" in the Elitist Circle. Money talks...and they dont have the money to talk unfortunately.
Once again we will be stuck with choosing the lesser of two evils. The average John Q Public can no longer run for President of this country...you have to be a millionaire and be well connected. Just look how much money these candidates are spending.
Along those lines, the national debt is astronomical and people are willing to shell out money hand over fist for these candidates (Paul raised $6 million in one day) via the web and $5k a plate dinners to finance a campaign...why cant they do this to pay the debt off?
You make some interesting points here medic. Maybe we can take them up in the politics forum at a later date.0 -
I had enough of politicians from Arkansas. They all waffle when it comes time to fess up. [xx(][:(!] 0
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