Hypocritical NRA Bashers?
I have long been astounded by the high level of NRA bashing I see on GB.com. I can understand anti-NRA sentiment, but when I see the extreme, constant, rabid NRA bashing on a gun forum, I am very surprised. Especially when the bashers urge us to destroy the NRA yet they don't urge us to put something in place of the NRA. Kinda like urging us to put down our guns and give up during a firefight. The anti-gun crowd could not even afford to pay people to go out and do the high level of NRA bashing I see done here for free (I assume it is being done for free).
But anyway, isn't it at least a tad hypocritical to come onto a gun forum, that displays an NRA symbol, at the bottom right of the home page screen, that says "Join the NRA here" and then as you enter as a guest of GB.com, you loudly and longly bash the NRA?
If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
But anyway, isn't it at least a tad hypocritical to come onto a gun forum, that displays an NRA symbol, at the bottom right of the home page screen, that says "Join the NRA here" and then as you enter as a guest of GB.com, you loudly and longly bash the NRA?
If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
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quote:Originally posted by SlowDog
Well, I got to say....since learning about NRANEWS.com and listening to them and how they fight for our rights...on air for all to hear....I will still pay onto the NRA and thank them for the rights they helped fight for hear in Michigan. I will put my CCW in pocket and slip my sidearm in it's cary holster and walk around Detroit and area feeling greatful for the NRA helping us push through the castle dotrine and right to carry laws. Anything else is just white noise to be squelched. Enough Said!
Good little sheep...
Its all about being informed, and when you do so become get back with us
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quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Before the internet I also got my gun news from the NRA in addition to the anti-gun news media. The news media always did and still does blame the NRA for American Citizens having guns and gun rights. In spite of strong, organized, powerful and wealthy anti-gun forces constantly trying to take those rights away.
So if our enemies (liberal media) blames the NRA for helping with gun rights, why do so many of our fellow gunners blame the NRA NOT helping with gun rights? Why does GB.com urge us to join the NRA? Why do numerous national, prominent and successful people (Mike Dillon of Dillon Reloading Press for just one) urge us to join the NRA? Why do gun rights leaders across the country, leaders of their state NRA affiliate, urge us to join the NRA. Leaders (Attorney Kevin Jamison of the Western Mo. Shooters Alliance for just one example) who have worked for years on a local level, with the help and support of the NRA, to pass CCW, Castle Doctrine, Preempting city gun laws stronger than state laws, etc., and above anyone here should know more about whether or not to support the NRA. Why do all those people do what they do?
Oh, I forgot. It is a left-wing scheme to fool us into supporting a pro-gun organization that is in fact working against gun rights.
Sir,
Here is an answer to your questions in red above.
One must remember that the NRA has been a large part of the "American Culture" and has had the status of an "American Institution" since the late 1800's. As such, it is ingrained into the fabric of American Society.
Case in point, look at the "red haze of hate" that comes over many who feel strongly about the positive force they believe the NRA to be, simply because some want to show what the NRA has become and what actions they ACTUALLY take, not what they say they do.
I see this phenomenon as similar to finding out that ones wife has been steadily cheating on you since before you even got married.
As an organization with historical roots and the status of an "American Institution", the NRA has access to the trust and the "institutional support" that goes along with that status. The NRA has people purchasing memberships for their children, their friend, their family, as gifts etc.. All this is based on the FAITH and TRUST, coupled with the historical perspective that the NRA enjoys with the American people.
In my opinion, therein lays the problem. Since the NRA is so well entrenched with Americans and since most of our fathers, mothers, grandfathers etc have been proud NRA Members, we follow along in the same belief, trust and faith that America has always had in the NRA.
Sadly, the NRA has proven to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, whether intentional as I believe, or unwittingly by originally starting down the compromise road with good intentions.
Doesn't really matter which historical road they took. It is what it is.
Most of the other "newer" gun-rights organizations sprang up DUE TO the truth about the NRA, as many see it. Many saw that the NRA was talking a good game, but that they were actually facilitating and assisting in the slow erosion of Amendment II. These new "upstart groups" have NONE of the institutional entrenchment and generational historical support that the NRA enjoys.
Many Americans see that the NRA is a danger to true Amendment II Rights, through their insidious deals and their acceptance of government regulation of all things firearm.
My personal opinion is that the NRA is and has been in cahoots with a predatory government for many years and that their role is to "sell" slow infringements of the RTKBA to the American People. What better organization than an American Institution, that has the trust and respect of America's gun owners, to facilitate and assist in gaining the acceptance of the American people in total government regulation of firearms?
It is a testament to the TRUTH about the NRA that the membership in some of these groups is over 500,000. Not sure of the exact membership figures, but it is illustrative of a growing awakening and an acknowledgment of the truth about NRA complicity in gun-control and in the NRA NOT supporting the Second Amendment as enumerated in the US Constitution's Bill of Rights.
None of this detracts from the good work that the NRA does in the areas of firearm safety, range development, youth education, firearms training and other areas. Their weakness and the danger they pose lays in their actions related to constitutional issues, primarily Amendment II.
I calls them like I sees them. This is how I see it.
Sir, thank you for your polite response. However, all you have shown me is that, regarding the people/actions in red above, you and other professional NRA bashers here must know much more than those in red above.
Is that the case?[
Sure seems to be the case, taking your information at face value.
TR, supporting the NRA doesn't make you evil, or bad. I just see you as ill informed, or unwilling to admit that you have been fooled. You are obviously passionate about the RTKBA. That clearly is a good thing. Unfortunately you seem to be supportive of government regulation of firearm related issues. That is certainly your right and we can disagree on that point.
I offer you an apology for some of the harsh things that i've posted about you. I was out of line for doing so, just got caught up in the debate.
I've said it before and I'll say it again right here. The NRA does much good. They do an exemplary job in the education area, youth firearms education, firearm training, firearms safety training, marksmanship training, hunting rights, range development etc. They are simply supporting a different Second Amendment than that enumerated in the US Constitution's Bill of Rights. They are and have consistently supported government infringement and control in the area of the RTKBA. That point is not debatable.
It was only a handful of years ago that I sounded a lot like you on NRA issues. I merely got educated, faced reality and made a conscious decision that what the NRA was doing in the areas in which they purport to be for the good of Amendment II, was not good. My support went elsewhere, although I remain a lifer at NRA. I would sincerely like to see them come around to a position to defend Amendment II as written. That isn't going to happen and I cannot support infringements on a basic right, period.
We can agree to disagree, but I will continue to shed light on actual NRA actions in an attempt to wake a few gun-owners up. My desire is to focus the fight to preserve the RTKBA in areas that actually support that right.
Again, ONLY so it's easier to read.
So.....long answer made short. You and the other NRA bashers DO know more than those in red above?0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Before the internet I also got my gun news from the NRA in addition to the anti-gun news media. The news media always did and still does blame the NRA for American Citizens having guns and gun rights. In spite of strong, organized, powerful and wealthy anti-gun forces constantly trying to take those rights away.
So if our enemies (liberal media) blames the NRA for helping with gun rights, why do so many of our fellow gunners blame the NRA NOT helping with gun rights? Why does GB.com urge us to join the NRA? Why do numerous national, prominent and successful people (Mike Dillon of Dillon Reloading Press for just one) urge us to join the NRA? Why do gun rights leaders across the country, leaders of their state NRA affiliate, urge us to join the NRA. Leaders (Attorney Kevin Jamison of the Western Mo. Shooters Alliance for just one example) who have worked for years on a local level, with the help and support of the NRA, to pass CCW, Castle Doctrine, Preempting city gun laws stronger than state laws, etc., and above anyone here should know more about whether or not to support the NRA. Why do all those people do what they do?
Oh, I forgot. It is a left-wing scheme to fool us into supporting a pro-gun organization that is in fact working against gun rights.
Sir,
Here is an answer to your questions in red above.
One must remember that the NRA has been a large part of the "American Culture" and has had the status of an "American Institution" since the late 1800's. As such, it is ingrained into the fabric of American Society.
Case in point, look at the "red haze of hate" that comes over many who feel strongly about the positive force they believe the NRA to be, simply because some want to show what the NRA has become and what actions they ACTUALLY take, not what they say they do.
I see this phenomenon as similar to finding out that ones wife has been steadily cheating on you since before you even got married.
As an organization with historical roots and the status of an "American Institution", the NRA has access to the trust and the "institutional support" that goes along with that status. The NRA has people purchasing memberships for their children, their friend, their family, as gifts etc.. All this is based on the FAITH and TRUST, coupled with the historical perspective that the NRA enjoys with the American people.
In my opinion, therein lays the problem. Since the NRA is so well entrenched with Americans and since most of our fathers, mothers, grandfathers etc have been proud NRA Members, we follow along in the same belief, trust and faith that America has always had in the NRA.
Sadly, the NRA has proven to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, whether intentional as I believe, or unwittingly by originally starting down the compromise road with good intentions.
Doesn't really matter which historical road they took. It is what it is.
Most of the other "newer" gun-rights organizations sprang up DUE TO the truth about the NRA, as many see it. Many saw that the NRA was talking a good game, but that they were actually facilitating and assisting in the slow erosion of Amendment II. These new "upstart groups" have NONE of the institutional entrenchment and generational historical support that the NRA enjoys.
Many Americans see that the NRA is a danger to true Amendment II Rights, through their insidious deals and their acceptance of government regulation of all things firearm.
My personal opinion is that the NRA is and has been in cahoots with a predatory government for many years and that their role is to "sell" slow infringements of the RTKBA to the American People. What better organization than an American Institution, that has the trust and respect of America's gun owners, to facilitate and assist in gaining the acceptance of the American people in total government regulation of firearms?
It is a testament to the TRUTH about the NRA that the membership in some of these groups is over 500,000. Not sure of the exact membership figures, but it is illustrative of a growing awakening and an acknowledgment of the truth about NRA complicity in gun-control and in the NRA NOT supporting the Second Amendment as enumerated in the US Constitution's Bill of Rights.
None of this detracts from the good work that the NRA does in the areas of firearm safety, range development, youth education, firearms training and other areas. Their weakness and the danger they pose lays in their actions related to constitutional issues, primarily Amendment II.
I calls them like I sees them. This is how I see it.
Sir, thank you for your polite response. However, all you have shown me is that, regarding the people/actions in red above, you and other professional NRA bashers here must know much more than those in red above.
Is that the case?[
Sure seems to be the case, taking your information at face value.
TR, supporting the NRA doesn't make you evil, or bad. I just see you as ill informed, or unwilling to admit that you have been fooled. You are obviously passionate about the RTKBA. That clearly is a good thing. Unfortunately you seem to be supportive of government regulation of firearm related issues. That is certainly your right and we can disagree on that point.
I offer you an apology for some of the harsh things that i've posted about you. I was out of line for doing so, just got caught up in the debate.
I've said it before and I'll say it again right here. The NRA does much good. They do an exemplary job in the education area, youth firearms education, firearm training, firearms safety training, marksmanship training, hunting rights, range development etc. They are simply supporting a different Second Amendment than that enumerated in the US Constitution's Bill of Rights. They are and have consistently supported government infringement and control in the area of the RTKBA. That point is not debatable.
It was only a handful of years ago that I sounded a lot like you on NRA issues. I merely got educated, faced reality and made a conscious decision that what the NRA was doing in the areas in which they purport to be for the good of Amendment II, was not good. My support went elsewhere, although I remain a lifer at NRA. I would sincerely like to see them come around to a position to defend Amendment II as written. That isn't going to happen and I cannot support infringements on a basic right, period.
We can agree to disagree, but I will continue to shed light on actual NRA actions in an attempt to wake a few gun-owners up. My desire is to focus the fight to preserve the RTKBA in areas that actually support that right.
Again, ONLY so it's easier to read.
So.....long answer made short. You and the other NRA bashers DO know more than those in red above?
Already answered (large BOLD PURPLE text). Why are you asking again?0 -
i have watched the nra and been part of it for most of my 51 years,and as said before the nra is great........in certain instances,certain examples,that iis not what they portray at all........ 0 -
Some may consider this "Bashing". Some may consider this an EXPOSURE of the lies being perpetuated. Which side are you going to align with??
New U.S. Senator opposing H.R. 2640, and a detailed rebuttal of the NRA's defense of gun control:
http://www.nationalgunrights.org/alerts/2007-demint2640.shtml
One might want to ask why virtually every pro-gun rights organization in America opposes H.R. 2640, while the NRA is siding with Sen. Charles Schumer and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1912813/posts0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wagon Wheel
Some may consider this "Bashing". Some may consider this an EXPOSURE of the lies being perpetuated. Which side are you going to align with??
New U.S. Senator opposing H.R. 2640, and a detailed rebuttal of the NRA's defense of gun control:
http://www.nationalgunrights.org/alerts/2007-demint2640.shtml
One might want to ask why virtually every pro-gun rights organization in America opposes H.R. 2640, while the NRA is siding with Sen. Charles Schumer and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1912813/posts
Outstanding WW. I am taking the liberty of a C&P of one of these articles at wave it around in GD and stir up the NRA apologists.
Maybe a few will eventually wake up.0
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