An Observation of the Anti-Gun Mentality
I had a personal experience this weekend that I would like to relate briefly, to demonstrate the depths that some liberal, "gun-haters" out there feel in their hearts.
I live in what once was a rural type development, where everyone has from 1-5 acres, and horses were allowed. The property values have gone up dramatically here, as in many parts of the country. Many new people from different states have moved in here recently, and many are from the New England area. I wave to many people in here on a daily basis, as I come and go,............have a Chevy Avalanche with some customizations that make me hard to miss! Sunday morning, a woman of, I would guess 38 to 40, that I have seen many times, was "power walking" with her baby in a stroller, and a Yorkie, on a leash. I moved way over to the left of the road and slowed down, out of courtesy, and for safety. As I approached her, I waved as she stared at me,..........I have waved at her many times, and have never gotten any kind of a reaction. She has seen me many times, and several with my fiance in the truck. Once again, no response, so for some reason that I can't explain, since I was going so slow, I stopped and rolled down the window,............I usually don't do things like this! For some reason, I had to find out what made this person so rude, as to not even be able to exchange a wave to a neighbor. I quickly found out why![:0]
In a very strong Boston sounding accent, she proceeded to tell me that she had seen my NRA tag on my front safari bar, and the sticker on my window of the same. Her whole premise, is that she "hates", and that is the word she used,.........."gun nuts". She said, I bet you have guns all over your home, and probably are carrying one now in the truck!
I didn't lose my temper, and get sarcastic, as I AM known to do at times. I said that she was right, and asked her if she knew what the second amendment was. She said she couldn't care less! I asked her if she knew what the first amendment was,.............of course she knew that one. As soon as I mentioned it was the right to keep and bear arms, she literally turned red in the face, and said that she didn't care what it stood for, and that "people with guns in their homes and vehicles, are anti-social, and dangerous to others, and that she HATES the NRA. I ended the "conversation", by saying, I was sorry she hated me when she didn't even know me, but not to fear,...........if I ever saw her out walking, and in danger, I would risk my life to come to her aid, and said to have a nice Sunday!
Thought some of you guys would like to hear the lunacy that goes through some folks minds,............it really is scary.[xx(]
I live in what once was a rural type development, where everyone has from 1-5 acres, and horses were allowed. The property values have gone up dramatically here, as in many parts of the country. Many new people from different states have moved in here recently, and many are from the New England area. I wave to many people in here on a daily basis, as I come and go,............have a Chevy Avalanche with some customizations that make me hard to miss! Sunday morning, a woman of, I would guess 38 to 40, that I have seen many times, was "power walking" with her baby in a stroller, and a Yorkie, on a leash. I moved way over to the left of the road and slowed down, out of courtesy, and for safety. As I approached her, I waved as she stared at me,..........I have waved at her many times, and have never gotten any kind of a reaction. She has seen me many times, and several with my fiance in the truck. Once again, no response, so for some reason that I can't explain, since I was going so slow, I stopped and rolled down the window,............I usually don't do things like this! For some reason, I had to find out what made this person so rude, as to not even be able to exchange a wave to a neighbor. I quickly found out why![:0]
In a very strong Boston sounding accent, she proceeded to tell me that she had seen my NRA tag on my front safari bar, and the sticker on my window of the same. Her whole premise, is that she "hates", and that is the word she used,.........."gun nuts". She said, I bet you have guns all over your home, and probably are carrying one now in the truck!
I didn't lose my temper, and get sarcastic, as I AM known to do at times. I said that she was right, and asked her if she knew what the second amendment was. She said she couldn't care less! I asked her if she knew what the first amendment was,.............of course she knew that one. As soon as I mentioned it was the right to keep and bear arms, she literally turned red in the face, and said that she didn't care what it stood for, and that "people with guns in their homes and vehicles, are anti-social, and dangerous to others, and that she HATES the NRA. I ended the "conversation", by saying, I was sorry she hated me when she didn't even know me, but not to fear,...........if I ever saw her out walking, and in danger, I would risk my life to come to her aid, and said to have a nice Sunday!
Thought some of you guys would like to hear the lunacy that goes through some folks minds,............it really is scary.[xx(]
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That would have turned out a lot different if a bunch of those JBT's were killed for their troubles, though. 0 -
"or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."
Redneck with a gun, shouting: "2nd amendment...cold dead hands"
Send in the SWAT team, throw his carcass to the sewer rats.0 -
i have discovered in my 16 years of life that sheer ignorance of our constitutional rights such as the 2nd due to people being stuck up, snotty, rude, and just downright liberal, is harming us all, i believe most consevative religious gun owners would come to the help of anyone in true need, but a snotty liberal like that would just run off and call the cops, in that 2-45 minutes it takes them to get there, you could be dead 0 -
I just dont get why people only support the part they like...god knows i hate the 1st but i would fight to protect it 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Broomie2
Would armed troops & LEO's confront citizens and take their guns?
Yup. Definitely.0 -
I'm currently an officer serving in the Army. The oath of an officer reads "I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God."
Now, as a firm supporter of the Constitution of the United States and a firm believer in the SA. If a superior officer ordered me to confiscate firearms from civilians, I would be forced to not obey as it is an unlawful order based on the Oath of Office and the Constitution.
I think there is enough free thinking personnel in the military to understand this. I for one am happy to educate all my fellow brothers in arms on this.0 -
Good post Bullride8,.......I have always felt that a lot would feel that way. Most military are fathers, mothers, sons, daughters,....etc. I can't see a majority of them going against the Constitution, or their own families to enforce an unconstitutional order. This has been hashed out many times,........with many different opinions, but I am glad to know that YOU would abide by your oath to uphold the Constitution![;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
Good post Bullride8,.......I have always felt that a lot would feel that way. Most military are fathers, mothers, sons, daughters,....etc. I can't see a majority of them going against the Constitution, or their own families to enforce an unconstitutional order. This has been hashed out many times,........with many different opinions, but I am glad to know that YOU would abide by your oath to uphold the Constitution![;)]
IRS, ATF, DEA agents, etc. are also fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, etc. I don't see it stopping them from harassing people, ruining lives and in some cases murdering people. But of course those are all bad bad bad people breaking laws, aren't they?0 -
quote:Originally posted by thesneakyrussian
IRS, ATF, DEA agents, etc. are also fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, etc. I don't see it stopping them from harassing people, ruining lives and in some cases murdering people. But of course those are all bad bad bad people breaking laws, aren't they?
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I would also add that those whom say, "NO NOT ME! I would NEVER do that!"
You would be forgetting one thing, that one would have the oppertunity to INVESTIGATE their orders. Do you suppose Ruby ridge and Waco officers were following what their SUPERIORS told them?! While that is not to ONLY blame the higher ups, let us not forget thatthoshgher ups tell the foot soldier WHO the bad guy is ...0 -
Probably 50/50 situation,........have enough ammo for the wrong 50% is all I can say. 0 -
I would count on no one but yourself and your inner circle of family and very close friends. Everyone else will want what you have. As far as the military turing on themselves......highly unlikely. They will get caught up in the hype of the fight....The adrenlin rush of capping a few people will over ride any thoughts of disobeying an order....They will shoot and ask questions later. 0 -
nyforester, X RING.
'Lest we all forget, this conversation is MOOT. The military has already been tested on this one and has FAILED. I'm not talking about Waco or Ruby Ridge, I'm talking about ordinary citizens being disarmed by the police and military. This was documented during Katrina. Once again, here is the video evidence:
http://www.gunowners.org/abcnews.mpg0 -
Wolf
Thanks for the link. I have never seen it, but it just reinforces my belief system.
It is a scary place we live - and it is totally not free.
Why was there no gun fights ???????0 -
quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
nyforester, X RING.
'Lest we all forget, this conversation is MOOT. The military has already been tested on this one and has FAILED. I'm not talking about Waco or Ruby Ridge, I'm talking about ordinary citizens being disarmed by the police and military. This was documented during Katrina. Once again, here is the video evidence:
http://www.gunowners.org/abcnews.mpg
I believe that was police, national guard provided security while police went around confiscating from and destroying firearms of law abiding citizens.
I believe military has not been yet put to the test, I think it'll be a very different story, if it ever gets to that point of course, it probably will be the military defending our rights.0 -
Quite likely that many will get caught up in the hype. I have to agree with Marc. 50/50 split.
The situation with Katrina is unfortunate. The Insurrection act basically wipes the Posse Comitatus Act away during "situations" the President seems fit. The military can be forced to do things to quell violence, etc. Is confiscating firearms lawful or going to quell violence? Has it ever worked in quelling firearms related deaths? I say no...so did the courts.
I'm not going to deny it happened, nor am I naive enough to believe that the US Military will never do it again. I'm mereley saying that what I swore, I will uphold. I may be military, but I understand my duties as a citizen of this country.
As a parting shot, the military is required to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domsetic. Could the Government ever be considered an enemy of the Constitution? Would/Should the military ever be required to remove it (the government) and reinstate power back to the people?0 -
Bullride, what would you do if the government declared that say 5 million - I am being optimistic - of citizens are now domestic enemy subverting it [the government]. Do you think you'd be able to see past what they'd be telling you?
Most people I know never bothered to see what exactly happened in Waco, don't even know they were busted for "illegal" firearm trades, people think they've got what they deserved because they were in a cult and that's why the government busted them. That was a little tiny incident on a grand scale, most don't even remember or know about it, and the government bureaucrats went out of their way to paint it a certain color. Do you really think when it comes to their survivals they won't employ forces of propaganda that'll paint, who knows, maybe even rebelling groups of citizens as traitors, terrorists, etc.?0 -
I DO believe that at some point the government could be considered an enemy of the Constitution. The problem there is,..........the Prez is commander in chief of the military!
If the military went against the chain of command,..........it would be a "military coup", as we have seen happen in many banana republics.
What is done then? Install a "favorite general" as acting Prez, until an election could be arranged? The elections usually never happen,.............it's called "power madness".
The Declaration of Independence, also clearly states the right of the people to remove, and replace, an unjust government by the people,............not the military.
Either way, not a pretty scene.0 -
All good points, Marc. However, I don't think we're looking at any military coup happening, though it could happen, not in our lifetime though. While people are fed and happy, there'll be no changes, even if BOR is abolished completely.
And it's hard to speculate on outcome of a potential SHTF in some distant future. There're way too many variables in the equation and forces in play. As for what Declaration of Independence say -- nobody really cares. At this point in time if anyone did the current government would have been recalled at least twice, as well as previous administration. Most people are just apathetic.0 -
quote:Most people are just apathetic.
Unfortunately, you are likely correct!
I do believe people of our age range will be gone before a SHTF situation, but I still believe we will endure an ever declining way of life in this country, compared to what it once was.
I have no kids of my own, nor do I intend to start at this age,......but I do have my fiance's 13 year old son to think of. It worries me for what he may see![xx(]0 -
Marc, I don't think you have much to worry about. If something were to happen, it'll happen while we're all alive, I think it's only a few years before we'll see which way exactly the course of history will turn. If nothing drastic will happen I think it'll be a while before some serious violence will erupt or this society completely deteriorate, more than one or even two generations.
And just to add, besides apathy there's just such level of ignorance and stupidity now days. If you look at society say a hundred years ago, layman knew they were layman and didn't try to make policy or history or to teach others how to live, in other words, everyone knew their place, now, with such fast and vast information flow everyone is any subject matter expert, I mean, look at what "advice" people give out in General Forum on computer or legal questions. And they do regard themselves experts in their heads. That's partly what's causing the fallout of society also.
Well, just ranting on here. I hope stuff happens sooner than later so that future generations have a bit of better life.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bullride8
Could the Government ever be considered an enemy of the Constitution?
It already is. IMHO0 -
quote:Originally posted by pickenup
quote:Originally posted by bullride8
Could the Government ever be considered an enemy of the Constitution?
It already is. IMHO
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First PayPal and now Ebay. Noticed this on an item I'm watching.
EBAY HAS JUST NOTIFIED US THAT IT IS CHANGING IT`S POLICY AND ON AUGUST 13 EBAY WILL NO LONGER ALLOW SELLERS TO SELL BARRELS, MAGAZINES, CHOKE TUBES AND SOME OTHER FIREARM ITEMS. IF YOU WANT THIS BARREL, HERE`S YOUR CHANCE BEFORE WE CAN`T LIST THEM ANYMORE.0 -
She probably considers herself a Christian too.
Just my 1/2 cent.
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I speak for myself, as a current member of the military (USMC Captain) that I would not take your weapons. I took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic." The Constitution includes the Bill of Rights and the rest of the amendments. There's a reason that that part of the oath precedes "obey the orders of the President of the United States." I hope that when the choice is brought to my fellow Marines, they will make the same one I do.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
I bet if you had a GOA sticker she woulda smiled and waved![:D]
LOL,.........yes, because she would have no idea what it meant. I know some of you here don't believe in the NRA, or GOA,.......but I still will send my small amount of money to them for any possible help they can give within the current system. When they and us, cease to be able to hold the fort, is when the SHTF though. Hope it never happens, and I don't do the "macho bravado" talk,........but no one will EVER come to my home, and take my guns, while I can still breathe.
This is off topic, but have some of you ever thought about this? If the day came that the politicos ordered the LEO's, and even the military, to go house to house to round up our guns, that it would not work? And I am not referring to the killing of LEO's and such,.................I think the rank and file LEO's, and military, would refuse to do it! They are our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, friends, and neighbors! I have a slightly different view of what might actually happen if that day ever comes,..........and I hope that it never does![;)]0 -
Sorry Bullride I didn't read down far enough to see your post before my reply to the topic. Seems as though we are brothers.
quote:Originally posted by bullride8
I'm currently an officer serving in the Army. The oath of an officer reads "I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God."
Now, as a firm supporter of the Constitution of the United States and a firm believer in the SA. If a superior officer ordered me to confiscate firearms from civilians, I would be forced to not obey as it is an unlawful order based on the Oath of Office and the Constitution.
I think there is enough free thinking personnel in the military to understand this. I for one am happy to educate all my fellow brothers in arms on this.0 -
if it ever hapens to me ,ill say to her just what marc1301 said.you said just the rite thing to her.if you do save her life let me know if she says thank you! 0
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