Are the Feds over-reaching here?
Is it up to the locals to decide if a fence goes on the border?
Also, the comment "a fence has proved to be an effective tool" is a laugh, if you know what is REALLY going on. You can sit in downtown Nogales AZ and watch people hop the fence......within 100' of the border checkpoint!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you think?
Merc
Fence could change border town landscape
By MICHELLE ROBERTS, Associated Press Writer Tue Feb 5, 2:03 PM ET
EAGLE PASS, Texas - With its motto "Where Yee-Hah meets Ole," Eagle Pass is a border town that prides itself on being both Tex and Mex, a community with many cultural and financial ties that bind it to its sister city across the Rio Grande.
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But the U.S. government's proposal to build a giant fence along the border threatens to remake the landscape in the name of national security, undermining the relationship between the two cities and, some say, permanently scarring the riverfront.
Local leaders and residents who are fighting the fence have become increasingly frustrated with what they regard as the federal government's heavy-handed tactics, which include threatening letters, lawsuits and swift legal judgments.
"They come in here like storm troopers," Mayor Chad Foster said. "They are steamrolling the people and abusing our liberties and are absolutely out of control."
Residents of Eagle Pass and Piedras Negras, a Mexican city of 143,000 people with an American-style football stadium, cross the river in both directions all the time to work, shop or visit relatives. When a tornado damaged both communities last spring, Piedras Negras sent dump trucks and front-end loaders to help Eagle Pass clean up.
The twin cultures are on display throughout Eagle Pass: On historic Main Street, the stucco Gran Mercado - a Mexican-style general store - stands near the Popular Western Wear store. Elsewhere, a car with a license plate from the Mexican state of Coahuila displays a sticker that reads: "9-11-01. We'll never forget."
A two-story steel wall, if built, would cut Eagle Pass residents off from a park and a golf course on the banks of the Rio Grande. And although bridges will still span the river here, the wall could sever Eagle Pass psychologically from Piedras Negras.
Eagle Pass was the first community to be hit with a lawsuit after the federal government began demanding access to the land to survey it for the fence. A federal judge ruled in favor of the government Jan. 16, the same day the complaint was filed and before city officials had even been served with legal papers.
The mayor called it a "sucker punch."
"Other than trying to make an example out of us, we don't understand what their issue is," said Foster, who suspects his leadership of an anti-fence group called the Texas Border Coalition might have something to do with it.
Eagle Pass leaders had already agreed to allow the Border Patrol to remove a giant weed that can provide hiding places on the riverbank; to widen a golf cart path to support Border Patrol trucks; and to install towers that would bathe the golf course and park in light around the clock.
"No one worries about border security more than the people who live here," said Foster, a bilingual real estate agent who cuts a cowboy-like profile with boots, a beige Stetson and a steady supply of Marlboros.
The river at Eagle Pass is about 280 feet wide and a muddy 8 1/2 feet deep - too deep to wade, and too dangerous for many people to swim.
The fence, as proposed, would be built to withstand the crash of a 10,000-pound vehicle at 40 mph. The barrier would bisect a property slated for a new riverfront housing development and cut in front of the park and golf course, slicing through the grounds of a historic fort built in 1849.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection hopes to construct 670 miles of fence across the 2,000-mile border by the end of the year. Agency spokesman Michael Friel said of the roughly 600 border landowners contacted nationwide, about 100 refused to grant permission to survey their property.
The resistance was particularly strong in Texas. The Justice Department has filed about 50 lawsuits against landowners - 35 in the heavily populated Rio Grande Valley, a dozen in Arizona and two in California.
The Eagle Pass mayor said his city never refused to allow customs officials to look at the land.
Friel declined to comment on any specific complaints but said lawsuits were a last resort. He also noted that the exact location of the fence has yet to be decided and that gates or other access could be granted for landowners with property between the fence and the river.
A fence "has proven to be an effective tool" for securing the border, said Friel, citing barriers in San Diego, El Paso and Nogales, Ariz.
Local officials and residents say the fence won't work without other reforms, such as a guest-worker program for Mexicans. The economic draw of the U.S. is too strong, they say, and the fence will cover only a third of the border.
"There's no way this is not going to be very detrimental to us," said John Stockley, a 74-year-old native of Eagle Pass. "I keep thinking if we took this money that's going to be spent not just here, all along the border, and put it into the Mexican economy, we'd probably have people going back the other way.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080205/ap_on_re_us/border_fence
Also, the comment "a fence has proved to be an effective tool" is a laugh, if you know what is REALLY going on. You can sit in downtown Nogales AZ and watch people hop the fence......within 100' of the border checkpoint!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you think?
Merc
Fence could change border town landscape
By MICHELLE ROBERTS, Associated Press Writer Tue Feb 5, 2:03 PM ET
EAGLE PASS, Texas - With its motto "Where Yee-Hah meets Ole," Eagle Pass is a border town that prides itself on being both Tex and Mex, a community with many cultural and financial ties that bind it to its sister city across the Rio Grande.
ADVERTISEMENT
But the U.S. government's proposal to build a giant fence along the border threatens to remake the landscape in the name of national security, undermining the relationship between the two cities and, some say, permanently scarring the riverfront.
Local leaders and residents who are fighting the fence have become increasingly frustrated with what they regard as the federal government's heavy-handed tactics, which include threatening letters, lawsuits and swift legal judgments.
"They come in here like storm troopers," Mayor Chad Foster said. "They are steamrolling the people and abusing our liberties and are absolutely out of control."
Residents of Eagle Pass and Piedras Negras, a Mexican city of 143,000 people with an American-style football stadium, cross the river in both directions all the time to work, shop or visit relatives. When a tornado damaged both communities last spring, Piedras Negras sent dump trucks and front-end loaders to help Eagle Pass clean up.
The twin cultures are on display throughout Eagle Pass: On historic Main Street, the stucco Gran Mercado - a Mexican-style general store - stands near the Popular Western Wear store. Elsewhere, a car with a license plate from the Mexican state of Coahuila displays a sticker that reads: "9-11-01. We'll never forget."
A two-story steel wall, if built, would cut Eagle Pass residents off from a park and a golf course on the banks of the Rio Grande. And although bridges will still span the river here, the wall could sever Eagle Pass psychologically from Piedras Negras.
Eagle Pass was the first community to be hit with a lawsuit after the federal government began demanding access to the land to survey it for the fence. A federal judge ruled in favor of the government Jan. 16, the same day the complaint was filed and before city officials had even been served with legal papers.
The mayor called it a "sucker punch."
"Other than trying to make an example out of us, we don't understand what their issue is," said Foster, who suspects his leadership of an anti-fence group called the Texas Border Coalition might have something to do with it.
Eagle Pass leaders had already agreed to allow the Border Patrol to remove a giant weed that can provide hiding places on the riverbank; to widen a golf cart path to support Border Patrol trucks; and to install towers that would bathe the golf course and park in light around the clock.
"No one worries about border security more than the people who live here," said Foster, a bilingual real estate agent who cuts a cowboy-like profile with boots, a beige Stetson and a steady supply of Marlboros.
The river at Eagle Pass is about 280 feet wide and a muddy 8 1/2 feet deep - too deep to wade, and too dangerous for many people to swim.
The fence, as proposed, would be built to withstand the crash of a 10,000-pound vehicle at 40 mph. The barrier would bisect a property slated for a new riverfront housing development and cut in front of the park and golf course, slicing through the grounds of a historic fort built in 1849.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection hopes to construct 670 miles of fence across the 2,000-mile border by the end of the year. Agency spokesman Michael Friel said of the roughly 600 border landowners contacted nationwide, about 100 refused to grant permission to survey their property.
The resistance was particularly strong in Texas. The Justice Department has filed about 50 lawsuits against landowners - 35 in the heavily populated Rio Grande Valley, a dozen in Arizona and two in California.
The Eagle Pass mayor said his city never refused to allow customs officials to look at the land.
Friel declined to comment on any specific complaints but said lawsuits were a last resort. He also noted that the exact location of the fence has yet to be decided and that gates or other access could be granted for landowners with property between the fence and the river.
A fence "has proven to be an effective tool" for securing the border, said Friel, citing barriers in San Diego, El Paso and Nogales, Ariz.
Local officials and residents say the fence won't work without other reforms, such as a guest-worker program for Mexicans. The economic draw of the U.S. is too strong, they say, and the fence will cover only a third of the border.
"There's no way this is not going to be very detrimental to us," said John Stockley, a 74-year-old native of Eagle Pass. "I keep thinking if we took this money that's going to be spent not just here, all along the border, and put it into the Mexican economy, we'd probably have people going back the other way.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080205/ap_on_re_us/border_fence
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Private property rights be damned, the mob has spoken. If you don't want a fence in your backyard you are just an un American, illegal immigrant loving, bleeding heart liberal who probably also wants us out of Iraq! 0 -
Sounds like typical bleeding heart liberal propaganda. 0 -
Tough luck, Eagle Pass. It is the job of the Federal government to secure our borders.
Build the fence.0 -
We wouldn't need a fence if whenever they caught a illegal, they worked him or her on a chain gang for a month before sending them home with no pesos to show for their adventure....
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thus is what we need for fence hoppers.
http://www.resist.com/other/border_patrol.swf0 -
My wife gets so pissed when I say how to control the border. Her response is "we are not Russians in East Germany." My thoughts are simple chain link fence with signs in english and spanish stating
WARNING: ACTIVE MINE FIELD
We of course would be condemned by the UN and rest of the world, but its not their border is it. I say the first couple killed would probably dramatically slow the flow.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
We wouldn't need a fence if whenever they caught a illegal, they worked him or her on a chain gang for a month before sending them home with no pesos to show for their adventure....
Don
I like your style, sir.0
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