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Coal Company hit with $20 million fine

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  • slipgate
    When I worked for PG&E we got hit with environmental fines like that and larger all the time. That is nothing to a company that size and simply gets passed on to the ratepayers (you and me).

    We owned the 2 dirtiest (and largest non nuke) plants on the east coast. We once got a 100 million dollar plus repair order for pollution retrofits. We told them f' you, we are closing the plant. They immediately backed off and no retrofit ever happened.
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  • ladams
    My GF came from down on the Ohio River and everything down there is just filthy from all the coal plants. Every morning there is a coating of fine black soot all over the cars. My vote goes for more nuke plants, but the environmental freaks won't let that ever happen.
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  • bpost
    quote:Originally posted by ladams
    My GF came from down on the Ohio River and everything down there is just filthy from all the coal plants. Every morning there is a coating of fine black soot all over the cars. My vote goes for more nuke plants, but the environmental freaks won't let that ever happen.


    I live close to the largest coal burning power plant in the world; Gavin (AEP). Keyger Creek is expanding a mile up the road, it is a huge plant too. Even on the worst days you can't smell the plants as you drive by. Coal seems to be getting with the program and getting cleaner and cleaner.
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  • River Rat
    Gee, I wonder who's gonna pay for it.
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  • SuburbanNoize
    I read somewhere, if we built 20 more nuclear powereplants, we would never have to build another plant. I think the problem with that is we need one good design instead of 20 different plants built 20 different ways. Nuclear power is good.
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  • LesWVa
    The spill that they are getting fined for happened back in 2000.

    Check out this guys story about the spill.

    Good friend of mine and lives within a mile of my Dad.
    He once trained National Mine Health and Safety inspectors. Now he fights coal companies tooth and nail.

    http://www.ohvec.org/newsletters/woc_2003_12/article_11.html

    Jack Spadaro's site.

    http://www.jackspadaro.com/index.html

    He won a huge cash settlement with NMHSA after they fired him.


    Bad news about EPA and MSHA fines to coal companies. All a company has to do is tell them where to go and it's swept under the rug.

    A $20 million fine. That's laughable. Offer to settle for $10 grand grease a palm or two and it's back to business as usual.
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  • ladams
    quote:Originally posted by SuburbanNoize
    I read somewhere, if we built 20 more nuclear powereplants, we would never have to build another plant. I think the problem with that is we need one good design instead of 20 different plants built 20 different ways. Nuclear power is good.


    +1 to that. If we wanted more energy independence we would stop using fuel oil and coal to make power, and start using nuclear.
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  • Colt Super
    Yup.

    Doug
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  • cce1302
    Sure, but then the cost of your household uranium would go through the roof!!
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  • needmyguns
    i was just wondering how maney here have worked in a coal mine..myself i have never even seen one.man thats got to be spooky down there in the mines[?][?][?]
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  • fishkiller41
    quote:Originally posted by needmyguns
    i was just wondering how maney here have worked in a coal mine..myself i have never even seen one.man thats got to be spooky down there in the mines[?][?][?]


    Although their are still many "underground" coal mines, most new ones are "surface" mines.They just remove the hilltop/Overburden,and scrape off the layer of coal...[V]
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  • Warbirds
    I agree with LesWVA. 20 million is nothing.

    I also believe that nuclear power is the way to go in the future.

    I hope I live to experience the benefits of it.
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  • fishermanben
    We're getting a new coal fired energy plant where I live. Apparently they will be pumping all of the smoke from the stack into "deep underground geologic formations".

    Ben
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  • 1911a1-fan
    i wonder how much it would have cost them if they disposed of it properly?

    lets see 50 million to dispose of it or a 20 million dollar fine, that's a no brainer
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  • Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by fishermanben
    We're getting a new coal fired energy plant where I live. Apparently they will be pumping all of the smoke from the stack into "deep underground geologic formations".


    Sounds like a great idea [xx(]
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  • wwg55
    I worked for over 20 years in the env.enforcement business. I have met Jack Spadaro on several occasions. I know that none of you people know me but this guy is a LOOSE CANNON. Coal can be mined safely, surface ming can be done responibly, and coal can be burned cleanly. A lot of people have to do their jobs correctly for this to happen. this is not a perfect industry, but people like Spadaro, DO NOT MAKE THINGS BETTER. Spadaro never did anything for the enviornment, or for the safety of the miners. His whole career has been based on making a name for himself. If this gets "Poofed" SO BE IT [:(!][B)][:(]
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  • LesWVa
    WWG55
    You stated "Coal can be mined safely, surface ming can be done responibly, and coal can be burned cleanly."

    I agree with you 100% on that.

    But it will never happen. When such people as Don Blankenship running companies such as Massey are allowed to get away with what they do and nothing ever done about it.

    Here you have West Virginia Supreme Court Chief Justice Elliott "Spike" Maynard who helped overturn a 76.3 million-dollar judgment against Massey being seen and photographed with Blankenship on vacation in Monaco. Then making statements like,

    "... I want to be crystal clear that in the noted trip I paid my own way, paid for my travel expenses, paid my own hotel expenses out of my own pocket. I have receipts and records to prove it."

    Only raises more questions with me. Such as sure you paid for it out of your own pocket. But Who put the money that you used in your pocket?


    They need to be one law and one law only for such fines.

    If a company is fined X amount.

    That company will not produce nor sale one single ton of coal until that fine is paid in full.

    As long as companies such as Massey are free to grease the palms of government officials such as Elliott "Spike" Maynard then have it ignored. You will continue to see spill and deaths from unsafe mining practices. Not just here in WV but all over the US.


    Jack being a loose cannon.

    Funny.
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  • Joe Drees
    Part of my job is to see that there are no heavy metals(zinc,lead,chromates) released to the envirement. It costs us a lot to monitor and reduce to allowable limits. Since all this ends up in our drinking water I think it money well spent. Big buisnesses that knowingly pollute should have the CEOs jailed instead of just passing on the fines to the consumer.
    People forget what things were like in the 60s before we had an EPA. The sky over Gary indiana was red with pollution. Some rivers actually caught fire. Yes the EPA can do some stupid stuff, but we are better off with it than without it.
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  • ElMuertoMonkey
    I'm surprised: no shrieks about liberal, tree-hugging hippies making things so god-awful tough for business in America![:0]

    What happened to all of the global-warming-is-a-fraud, pollution-is-the-price-of-a-healthy-economy, environmentalism-is-for-losers, the-EPA-will-kill-us-all talk? Y'all been drinking out of Diane Feinstein's glass again?
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  • wwg55
    I have seen Massey and others pull some slick stuff, that being said you can go to the KY DSMRE web page and see the real after pictrues of the cleanup of the Martin County Spill. I think those pictures will speak for theselves as to the work done by the State of KY DMRE Inspectors, and the coal company. The rank and file coal miners as well as State and Federal officials are good hard working people. The fines imposed by the judges do nothing for the cleanup and prtection of the Water, so they really are not as important is the resolution of the problem itself. As for Jack, I met him over 20 years ago and my opinion of him hasn't changed. let any third party here in the forum go look at Jack's website and I think they will agree that "Jack is more about Jack than anything else".
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