Phoenix Arms
I was in the gpawn shot today looking around and saw a little Phoenix Arms 22 are these any good it was ss and looked real nice
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I was out shooting the little 22 auto I picked up a few months ago and I kept having mis fires anyways I took it apart today and the firing pin was broke into [:(!] 0 -
I have one.... It goes bang and has never jammed on me. I paid 99 dollars new for one late last year. Fun little gun that is easy on the wallet. 0 -
your scrapping the bottom of the barrel, you won't find much good on phoenix arms/raven here 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tazzer
I was in the gpawn shot today looking around and saw a little Phoenix Arms 22 are these any good it was ss and looked real nice
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How much was it? My friend has one and same deal..never jams. Coll lookin gun. I f you can get one cheap, why not.0 -
I owned one of the .25 caliber Ravens many years ago and while it was not much to look at, it did go BANG everytime I pulled the trigger and I don't think that it ever jammed. 0 -
You do realize you can purchase another barrel with it?..One is just longer than the other one...(target barrel) 0 -
just how many times did you guys pull the trigger 1,000 5,000 or a few boxes? 0 -
I've owned a Raven .25ACP for about 30 years.
Never a hickup, but it needs the right side grip panel.
Doug0 -
Classic095 here!
The Raven and the Phoenix .22 are built completely different.. I have had both, and never a problem with either.. The .22 is built better, and used to come in a two barrel set.0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
Classic095 here!
The Raven and the Phoenix .22 are built completely different.. I have had both, and never a problem with either.. The .22 is built better, and used to come in a two barrel set.
phoenix is making the raven
how many rounds we talking?0 -
So far I have put a couple of bricks of promo ammo through them. Reliable yes.... best .22 out there probably not.... great value yes. 0 -
Classic095 Here:
Yep both made by same manufacturer, but two totally different style guns..
Here is a report on the HP.22
(In "Hand Gunning," March/April, 1996, p. 42-42)
This excellent and thorough review was very positive, and was kind to a fault, even tending to make the vaguely annoying double-safety system of the HP22 sound like an advantage. According to Mr. Pearce, here's how it works: "...if the magazine is removed, nothing will function. And you can't remove the magazine if the gun is not on `Safe.' You have to consciously move the safety to `Fire' before you can chamber a round." Finally, you have the additional option of engaging the firing pin block safety on the slide. This also prevents you from pulling the trigger. Furthermore, you can't eject the round in the chamber until you remove the magazine, unload it, reinstall it, and then move the safety to "Fire" before retracting the slide.
Are you dizzy yet? All in all, this sounds like something of a pain in the keyster. The Phoenix Arms manual manages to explain this in far more words than Mr. Pearce and with the sort of litigation-fearing admonishments that have become an annoying part of any product manual these days. In case you're still lost, the basic drill is: both safeties on to put the loaded magazine into the well, then magazine interlock safety (on grip) on "Fire" to rack the slide, then firing pin safety off (thus exposing the red dot) in order to shoot. To unload, the recommended procedure is: put firing pin safety on, put mag. Interlock safety on "Safe: (which manual holds open the slide), then drop the magazine with the mag release button. This unloading procedure avoids the ridiculous complication Mr. Pearce mentioned regarding getting the round ejected from the chamber. Then, you have to reinsert the empty mag. In order to drop the slide and decock the hammer. Simple, yes? No.
A particularly useful feature of Pearce's review is that he tested 20 different kinds of .22 ammo through the HP22 target model (5" barrel), measuring velocity and accuracy in each 10-round group. This provides us a wealth of interesting ammo data for proper feeding of the HP22. However, we should note when interpreting the data below that small differences between brands are unlikely to be instructive since Pearce intentionally did not clean the gun during his various tests, during which he ran about 400 rounds total through the gun. (I believe he was more interested in reliability of the pistol than accuracy.) His average 25-yard group for all 20 ammo types was 4.25". The best group he obtained was 3", which isn't bad for a pistol that retails for about $99 and is presumably shooting its first 400 rounds.
The best 25-yard handheld benchrest accuracy he obtained with the target barrel was:
1) 3" using PMC/Eldorado Zapper 40 g. CPHP,
2-4) 3.25" using each of the following: CCI SGB 40 gr. LRN, CCI Mini-Mag 40gr. CPRN, and Hansen CTG. 40 gr. LRN.
The highest velocities he obtained (at 6 feet from the muzzle) were for:
1) CCI Stinger 32 grain CPHP at 1205 fps,
2) CCI Blazer 40 gr. LRN at 1029 fps,
3) CCI SGB 40 gr. LRN at 1027 fps, and
4) PMC/Eldorado Zapper 40 gr. CPHP at 1025 fps.
Thus, the winners for combined velocity and accuracy were the PMC/Eldorado Zapper and the CCI SGB. These two would probably be your best choice for hunting squirrels or defending against squirrel-sized muggers.
Lowest velocities were obtained from:
1) Russian Junior 40 gr. LRN (811 fps)
2) RWS Target 40 gr. LRN (867 fps),
3) Hansen Ctg. 40 gr. LRN (884 fps)
The worst groups were from:
1) 6.5" from Russian Junior 40 gr. LRN
2) 6" from Winchester Wildcat 40 gr. LRN
3) 5.5" from both CCI Blazer 40 gr. LRN and from Remington Golden 40 gr. CPRN0 -
in gun tests magazine the phoenix 22 beat out 3 name brand 22 autos & was priced at about 1/3....takes a while to learn the quirks of safeties, etc have had one years ago....interesting article on a mouse gun....june 2007 volume XlX, no.6....pg18 0 -
they want to much I think anyways
It looks new but they have 139.00 I oculd get it for 100 out the door,0 -
Have had the 22 for a couple years.
Good shooting gun. And for $100, can't go wrong.
Feels good, shoots well, hits your target...0 -
The phoenix 22 is great and the Magazine safety is easy to disable. 0 -
Never fired one, did consider buying but didn't. Heres one view as presented on a website. Nice looking little pistol. 
Strictly a cheap plinker! It is very inexpensive, running around $150 for a complete ''outfit'' which gives a choice of two barrel lengths. It is reputed to start falling apart after several thousand rounds and this one had the mag' release come apart early on. It was an easy DIY fix which avoided a return.
With the 3" barrel it is very compact but for passable accuracy it performs much better with the 5" barrel as shown in the pic'. Only to be regarded as an inexpensive fun gun - no more.
Another view:
Phoenix Arms HP-22
.....The original George Jennings company, Raven Arms, was destroyed by fire in 1991. But soon after, the company re-emerged as Phoenix Arms. Phoenix is equally owned by Bruce Jenning's ex-wife Janice, his three children, Jim Davis' four children, and Raven's former general manager, Dave Brazeau. The Phoenix HP-22 is a well designed, quality single-action exposed hammer semi-auto in .22LR caliber. It is a little different in design than the standard Raven/Jennings types. The HP-22 has it's recoil spring under the barrel instead of around the barrel and the slide does not enclose the barrel. There is a slide hold-open feature set by engaging the safety when the slide is pulled back. The one feature which some people have issues with is the odd means of removing the magazine. You have to engage the safety, then push the mag release...reversing this to insert the mag. It's different, but you get used to it quickly enough. Using CCI Mini-Mags, my HP-22 goes bang every time and functions flawlessly. Like everything, if you tune it and care for it, you'll get better results from it. Some folks give this gun a bad rap, but for the money it is one of the better low-cost autos currently made. The HP-22 has been in production since 1994 in the company's Ontario, California plant.
.....Phoenix Arms is one of the "Ring of Fire" companies that produce the majority of "Saturday Night Special" handguns in the United States. As detailed in a 1992 article by Wall Street Journal reporter Alix Freedman; in 1970 George Jennings produced a cheap .25 pistol and founded Raven Arms. Twenty-one years later, in November 1991, a fire destroyed the Raven Arms factory. George Jennings retired and sold the tooling from Raven Arms to the aptly named Phoenix Arms. While the mainstay of the new company is still the .25 Raven model, the .22 caliber HP-22 is my choice from Phoenix!
Gunsatcost.com offers this without the longer 'target' barrel for about $115.000 -
I had one with the two barrel set. It was pretty accurate and made a good snake/rat gun when I was out in yard or in the woods. Even had a couple of holsters for it. Got talked out of it by a friend who wanted it for wife to shoot at the range. Have regretted selling it ever since, especially with ammo prices going out of sight. 0 -
Powdersmoke
Is that gun still made? If so where can it be bought?0 -
quote:Originally posted by prangle
The phoenix 22 is great and the Magazine safety is easy to disable.
5 min and a file took care of that stupid safety.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rosie
Powdersmoke
Is that gun still made? If so where can it be bought?
Yes it is, and it can usually be found at your local pawn shop or gunshow.0 -
Dang ya'll I may have to go back and get it now. [:D] 0 -
I HAVE ONE I BAUGHT IN COLLEGE.
IT IS WHAT YOU PAY FOR. A PLINKER NO BETTER, BUT MY SMALL FRAMED FIANCE LOVES IT0 -
http://www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/forum/index.php
Phoenix stopped making the Raven years ago. The last company to make the Raven was Cobra Enterprise of Utah.
http://66.165.102.6/cobra/products.html
Here is a forum for Phoenix Arms pistols
http://www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21
http://www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/forum/index.php0 -
I also have phoenix 22 my doughter shoots it all the time love's this gun,but I belive you get what you pay for, its not much for resale. but something to plink with. 0 -
I worked for Pheonix arms back in early '94 as a machinest/assembler. I was actually pleased with the HP-22 as it was well built for the price. The only problem that we had with the gun was that the sear was made out of very cheep pot metal. 40% of the sears would break during assembly. I do not know if they fixed that problem or not.
I was sitting having lunch right after I started with Phoenix when the boss came over, he noticed that I was reading a gun mag and asked if I was a shooter (nobody I worked with was). So we talked for a while about competition and just having fun with guns. He asked me if there was anything I would change to make the HP-22 more desirable to a wider range of shooters. I told hin that it would be real nice to place a longer barrel and a grip extension on the gun so it could be used as a budget target gun, and thet the market was really turning towards two tone guns so it would also be good to offer a blued frame with a nickle slide. He told me that neather of those things would work but said that he liked the way I thought. A little more than a month after that conversation I left the company.
6 months later Phoenix introduces the Target Model with a longer barrel and a grip extension and also introduces the two tone models.
I now laugh everytime I see a HP-22 Target. Was I the real catalist that created that gun? I will never know for sure, but it is a real good story that I can tell my kids[:p]0 -
I would highly recommend this gun I have fired around 5000 rounds thru mine with no problems and great grouping.You will not be disapointed!!!!!!!!!You will also not find another 22 with more safty in mind than this little gun. It dont get much better than this for the price 0 -
Shot mine A LOT with no issues... other than the overly complicated safety set up. 0 -
make sure you do not modify the safety because if you do it voids the lifetime warranty i found this out the hardway when after just 50 rounds the trigger locked and i sent gun back in and they sent it back and said warranty was voided and they would not fix or replace 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
just how many times did you guys pull the trigger 1,000 5,000 or a few boxes?You can probably get plenty of use out of such a gun as a backup if you keep its limitations in mind and don't wear it out before you need it.
I'd still be curious to hear the answer, though.0
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