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I live in Florida and Im looking for a clear definition of concealed firearm. I have an xd 40 sub compact and tagua belt holster (until I get something better like a super tuck). When I have the xd40 in the holster, with a tee shirt covering them, you can clearly see that I have something under my shirt and at/above my belt line. you can kind of see the grip if I turn a little. is this concealed enough?

this is all I found under florida's statutes:
790.001 Definitions
"Concealed firearm" means any firearm, as defined in subsection (6), which is carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the firearm from the ordinary sight of another person.

thanks !!!
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  • goldeneagle76
    when I carry in the sumertime you can see the outline of my grip sometimes. If it is under the shirt, it is concealed. If you have a CCW license you are fine.
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  • 11b6r
    A t shirt OVER a sidearm= concealed weapon. The general definition- may vary in exact wording from state to state- "concealed from common or ordinary observation, and so connected to the person as to be readily accessible for use." You have in a holster on your right hip- while it cannot be seen from the left side, ORDINARY observation will pick it up. Under a coat, in a pocket, rolled up in a newspaper, etc- concealed from ordinary observation. You would not only have to look at the exact wording of your state statutues, but also at case law in your state, where a court has interpreted the meaning of the wording.
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  • daveald
    why dont you pick up a soft holster and put it in your pocket?
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  • e8gm
    I just bought a Tarus PT-111 in 9mm. At the same time I bought the Thunderwear holster. This is a pouch type holster that is worn around the waist just under your belt line. The gun rest just behind your zipper. I wore for a couple of hours right after I bought and found it to be very comfortable, even while sitting. The weapon was very accesible and the holster even has space for an extra mag and a pouch for other valuables that you would like to carry concealed. I was wearing this under a pair of blue jeans and there was no printing of the firearm what so ever. With a smaller gun you could even wear it under gym shorts.
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  • tig
    I see you have recieved few replys to that question, thats because none of us has an answer, sadly, until its been defended in a court with a jury will any of us really know. gus
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  • lindalecowboy
    Like everything else in our litigious society (everyone willing to litigate everything) it's always going to be what the judge says it is..... my CCW instructor told our class, read the laws, interpret them any way you like but by the letter of the it has to be concealed, meaning that you don't make someone around you nervous. i.e. if someone sees your gun and suddenly they FEEL threatened, whether they actually are or not, you might be in trouble.......it would be a stretch but don't be surprised to find yourself in handcuffs and charged with some silly terroristic threatening, etc. My advice, don't let anyone see or know you have a gun on you however you have to CONCEAL, (Webster's dictionary defines it as:1 : to prevent disclosure or recognition of <conceal the truth> 2 : to place out of sight <concealed himself behind the door>

    It is a very fine line of balance between CONCEAL and ACCESS or what's the point??
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  • Permanently deleted user
    When I lived in Ohio, the officer defined it as this:

    If a person can see the butt, or otherwise identify what your carrying as a GUN, it is NOT concealed and you WILL be questioned.
    I.E.: DO NOT wear a gun in a speedo. Don't wear your gun under tight fitting clothes. Don't wear short clothes that can "ride" up when you raise your arm or bend over.

    Why would you want to anyway? Concealed carry is the element of surprise. Why give anyone a clue as to what you may have under your shirt?
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  • Txs
    In some states you can permanently lose your license for not keeping it concealed. Is it worth this risk? I'd suggest you err to the side of caution on this issue.

    It's really not too tough to keep concealed. I've been carrying everywhere I go for about 30 years and don't believe in small pocket pistols. I haven't been spotted as armed yet.
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  • huntergarret
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    In some states you can permanently lose your license for not keeping it concealed. Is it worth this risk? I'd suggest you err to the side of caution on this issue.

    It's really not too tough to keep concealed. I've been carrying everywhere I go for about 30 years and don't believe in small pocket pistols. I haven't been spotted as armed yet.


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  • MrOrange
    The list of variables is lengthy, starting with the mood of the LEO who contacts you, on through the DA, local politics, the courts, and whatever court decisions come to bear.

    I read one case history here in California where the defendant was carrying a revolver stuck in his back pocket, which he figured counted as legal unloaded open carry since everything from about the back of the cylinder on up was exposed, much like if it was in a holster.

    12025 (f) Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section.

    NOPE! Convicted of concealed carry. And you can bet if it was loaded and he had a CCW he would've been convicted of illegal open loaded carry.


    Have fun.
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