Homeland Security: New ID's Unveiled tomorrow
Homeland Security to Unveil New Driver's License Rules
WASHINGTON - Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years under ambitious post-9/11 security rules to be unveiled Friday by federal officials.
Big brother or good idea?
Among other details of the REAL ID Plan:
-The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that should someone be rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked in the future if that person attempted to con the system again.
-The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.
Over the next year, the government expects all states to begin checking both the Social Security numbers and immigration status of license applicants.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321925,00.html
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WASHINGTON - Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years under ambitious post-9/11 security rules to be unveiled Friday by federal officials.
Big brother or good idea?
Among other details of the REAL ID Plan:
-The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that should someone be rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked in the future if that person attempted to con the system again.
-The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.
Over the next year, the government expects all states to begin checking both the Social Security numbers and immigration status of license applicants.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321925,00.html
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Big brother at it again[:(!] 0 -
More communism. The end is coming faster than we thought. 0 -
I think it would be nice if they would require people to know how to drive before they get a driver's license. 0 -
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(I guess not many here have a passport, eh?[:D]) 0 -
Well it does seem more like communism. But on the other hand it may cut back on illegal immigration or illegal immigrants getting jobs. Nowadays the illegal immigrants get fake id's to get jobs. If you are an employer and participate the "Pilot Program" which could determine whether or not the name matches the Social Security number. In some instances I've heard of 5 people using the same SSN's! With different names! 0 -
wonder how long it will take before someone comes up with a way of forging them?..we got a similar licence system here but if you know who to ask and you got the money you can get a forged one...they are only as good as the systems that back them up... 0 -
Watched part of a program about a week ago where a guy was able to
get his hands on a valid passport from a guy who had a friend who
issued them. All that was needed was the "correct" amount of money
and a few days waiting time. This guy went to many different countries
with that passport. Not sure if he scored one in another country to
see how widespread the corruption is. Guess my bottom line is, why
come up with all these new requirements when, if the laws were
followed, you wouldn't need them.0 -
it's just going to make the dishonest work a little harder[}:)][}:)] 0 -
quote:Cameroon:
Guess my bottom line is, why come up with all these new requirements when, if the laws were followed, you wouldn't need them.
Well, I think the intended difference of a national ID is that it will fall under the Federal umbrella ... and IF they ever get serious about following through with penalties they will be Federal offences ... and I, for one ... woud rather 'play' with the State boys than the Feds, anytime.
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What is the world coming to? I agree with Zipper again.[:0][:)]
Got a passport? Look at the info, and the new ones have bar codes.
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A driver's license is not a passport. I can travel between Virginia and North Carolina without a driver's license, I just can't drive there without one. A driver's license is only supposed to show that the Commonwealth of Virginia has tested my driving ability and found that I meet the standard to operate a motor vehicle on public roads.
"May I see your papers?"
This is an article about the New Passports.
Link to Article
The ID Chip You Don't Want in Your Passport
By Bruce Schneier
Saturday, September 16, 2006; Page A21
If you have a passport, now is the time to renew it -- even if it's not set to expire anytime soon. If you don't have a passport and think you might need one, now is the time to get it. In many countries, including the United States, passports will soon be equipped with RFID chips. And you don't want one of these chips in your passport.
RFID stands for "radio-frequency identification." Passports with RFID chips store an electronic copy of the passport information: your name, a digitized picture, etc. And in the future, the chip might store fingerprints or digital visas from various countries.
By itself, this is no problem. But RFID chips don't have to be plugged in to a reader to operate. Like the chips used for automatic toll collection on roads or automatic fare collection on subways, these chips operate via proximity. The risk to you is the possibility of surreptitious access: Your passport information might be read without your knowledge or consent by a government trying to track your movements, a criminal trying to steal your identity or someone just curious about your citizenship.
At first the State Department belittled those risks, but in response to criticism from experts it has implemented some security features. Passports will come with a shielded cover, making it much harder to read the chip when the passport is closed. And there are now access-control and encryption mechanisms, making it much harder for an unauthorized reader to collect, understand and alter the data.
Although those measures help, they don't go far enough. The shielding does no good when the passport is open. Travel abroad and you'll notice how often you have to show your passport: at hotels, banks, Internet cafes. Anyone intent on harvesting passport data could set up a reader at one of those places. And although the State Department insists that the chip can be read only by a reader that is inches away, the chips have been read from many feet away.
The other security mechanisms are also vulnerable, and several security researchers have already discovered flaws. One found that he could identify individual chips via unique characteristics of the radio transmissions. Another successfully cloned a chip. The State Department called this a "meaningless stunt," pointing out that the researcher could not read or change the data. But the researcher spent only two weeks trying; the security of your passport has to be strong enough to last 10 years.
This is perhaps the greatest risk. The security mechanisms on your passport chip have to last the lifetime of your passport. It is as ridiculous to think that passport security will remain secure for that long as it would be to think that you won't see another security update for Microsoft Windows in that time. Improvements in antenna technology will certainly increase the distance at which they can be read and might even allow unauthorized readers to penetrate the shielding.
Whatever happens, if you have a passport with an RFID chip, you're stuck. Although popping your passport in the microwave will disable the chip, the shielding will cause all kinds of sparking. And although the United States has said that a nonworking chip will not invalidate a passport, it is unclear if one with a deliberately damaged chip will be honored.
The Colorado passport office is already issuing RFID passports, and the State Department expects all U.S. passport offices to be doing so by the end of the year. Many other countries are in the process of changing over. So get a passport before it's too late. With your new passport you can wait another 10 years for an RFID passport, when the technology will be more mature, when we will have a better understanding of the security risks and when there will be other technologies we can use to cut the risks. You don't want to be a guinea pig on this one.
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quote:JamesRK:
A driver's license is not a passport.
I didn't know that ...[:o)]
I know this is going to shock you horse and buggy guys, BUT everything, and everybody is going to be chipped ... and fairly soon. How that chip data is utilized, of course, going to be a concern for many ... but chipped we will be. Homeland Security is calling the shots ... they are the BATF of the real Fed. legal beagles out there.
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quote:Well it does seem more like communism. But on the other hand it may cut back on illegal immigration
Part of the plan to get this passed was free flow of wet-backs criminals in order to have an excuse to do it. Why do you think after 9-11 they didn't secure the border. Remember? We were supposed to be afraid for our lives.[:(!]0 -
Zip, used to be if you were going on one of those short cruises and didn't intend to depart the ship outside United States Territory you didn't need to take a passport.
I hear that now you have to show your passport just to get underway, even it's just one of those get underway to gamble, buy cigarettes, etc., and back to port.0 -
Yep - it's true - like I said - Welcome to the 21st Century!
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quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
Big brother at it again[:(!]
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doesn't everyone here usually say "if you don't have anything to hide why worry" 0 -
Somebody straighten me up or out on this thing. The FOX News dudette just splained this to me, and I'm not sure I heard what she meant to say.
The way I understood it was Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff is doing by regulation what Congress couldn't do by law. Is that correct?0 -
I wish they would ask for stool samples, I'd be GLAD to throw one at 'em![:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
doesn't everyone here usually say "if you don't have anything to hide why worry"
I'm not admitting that I don't have anything to hide, but if I didn't have anything to hide, I sure wouldn't admit it here. [:D]0 -
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.... com'on James .. just whisper it here ... you're among friends.[:D]0 -
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The time is nearing.0 -
Personally, I just can't see what is so wrong about proveing you are the person on the birth certificate. If we had all this in place now, mayber we wouldn;t have 20 plus million illegals roaming around with impunity. Just maybe we could get some of them off our roads and out of our hospital and welefare system.
Maybe we wouldn't have politicians pimping themselves for the illegal vote. Tom0 -
quote: we had all this in place now, mayber we wouldn;t have 20 plus million illegals roaming around with impunity
And maybe the common sense thing to have done would've been secure the border and sever our country from theirs.0 -
Real ID card won't work.
Think airlines will only allow Real ID Card holders to fly? Fat chance. They like money. What about tourists?
They won't lose that money. What about US Territories? I doubt they would issue a Real ID drivers license., they won't be prohibited from entering the US.
Let's say I go to my wifes country......get a drivers license and passport....guess what?
I can drive and freely travel within the US without a Real ID.0 -
Chinese develop new surface to air / air to air missile.
The Chinese government has just announced they have created a new missile to counter American air superiority. The new missile is a passive RFID reader and is not intended to even hit an an enemy aircraft, it is merely meant to get near the aircraft to read the pilot and aircrews passive rfid ID cards. The data is then sent back to a ground station where a team of Chinese hackers proceeds to destroy the American's credit, finances, and burries them with hundreds of thousands of dollars in credit card debt. The pilots returns safely home only to find their homes are under foreclosure and collections agencies have taken all their belongings.
The United States had no comment.
That's a REAL threat from the REAL ID. RFID's are bad.0
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