F-22 Blows the Sukoi AWAY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUdt6ZSWUsI&NR=1
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wow! 0 -
Impressive.... 0 -
At $150 million per unit (about five times the cost of an F15) it had better be able to do a hell of a lot more than a back-flip! 0 -
naah. the F22 is definitely faster, stealthier, and more electronically advanced, but the Sukhoi is more maneuverable even if it is heaveier and slower. it has 3D thrust vectoring, where the F22 has 2D.
I saw a video 8 years ago of a Sukhoi Su-37 doing the same things the F22 is doing in this video, but with ease and it was obviously much more acrobatic. either the F22 can't entirely do what the Su-37 can, or the Russian pilot was simply more skillful. for example, I saw him do a cobra and waggle his wings at the same time and it didn't look belabored at all, like the F22 did performing the basic maneuver.
the pilots should stick to the strengths of their airplanes. the F22 was not made to win a fight with maneuverability. the Su-37 was, at least among modern adversaries. you can be assured they've got more tactical maneuverability tricks up their sleeve when it comes to a fight. it's what they rely on.0 -
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quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
naah. the F22 is definitely faster, stealthier, and more electronically advanced, but the Sukhoi is more maneuverable even if it is heaveier and slower. it has 3D thrust vectoring, where the F22 has 2D.
I saw a video 8 years ago of a Sukhoi Su-37 doing the same things the F22 is doing in this video, but with ease and it was obviously much more acrobatic. either the F22 can't entirely do what the Su-37 can, or the Russian pilot was simply more skillful. for example, I saw him do a cobra and waggle his wings at the same time and it didn't look belabored at all, like the F22 did performing the basic maneuver.
the pilots should stick to the strengths of their airplanes. the F22 was not made to win a fight with maneuverability. the Su-37 was, at least among modern adversaries. you can be assured they've got more tactical maneuverability tricks up their sleeve when it comes to a fight. it's what they rely on.
Re-check your facts, then post..0 -
Here is what the expert says: (sorry for the C&P)
REMEMBER THE VIDEO I FORWARDED LAST WEEK ABOUT THE AWESOME RUSSIAN SU-30 ....REMEMBER HOW THE TEXT FROM SOME UNKNOWN SOURCE CHARACTERIZED THE SU-30 AS BEING SUPERIOR TO THE F-22? IT WAS A GREAT VIDEO,
FORTUNATELY, I SENT A COPY TO MY GOOD FRIEND, GENERAL AL SLAY, FORMER COMMANDER OF AIR FORCE SYSTEMS COMMAND... TAKE A SECOND TO READ WHAT GENERAL SLAY HAS TO SAY...
Fw: Russian Jet Video.Awsome.......
Thanks for the Russian jet video, which is very impressive. Quite obviously, however, the writer of the comments doesn't know much about fighters and is also unaware that the F-22 can far outdo the Russian fighter in any performance area. The F-22 can maneuver at zero airspeed (which the SU-30 cannot do -- all the SU-30 can do is the "cobra maneuver", which the F-22 can also do easily); the F-22 can also out turn the SU-30 under any conditions, out accelerate the SU-30 under any conditions, outrun the SU-30 in mil power, and on top of all that the F-22 has much better air to air armament than the SU-30, and still more on top of that, the F-22 is stealthy, while the SU-30 has the radar signature of a large barn door. Add to those facts the additional fact that the radar, infrared and other "situational awar eness" sensors aboard the F-22 are much, much better than those in the SU-30, and even the greatest advocate for the SU-30 would conclude that the SU-30 would be a sitting duck and a dead duck in any engagement that it may be unfortunate enough to encounter with the F-22.
Short recap: The SU-30 is a great airshow machine; but, regarding the statement that the SU-30 is "the best fighter in the world", it definitely ain't!! Not by a country mile!!!
Having said that, the SU-30 has better aerodynamic characteristics than our current first line fighter, the F-15, which is why the AF wants more F-22s. A force of F-15s going up against a comparable force of SU-30s would probably come out on top -- but only because of better pilot training, better tactics and better missiles -- not because it could match the SU-30 in a turning "dog fight" which our tactics dating back several decades have told us to avoid. Our F-15 and F-16 air-to-air tactics are now (and have been for many years) to approach an enemy force of fighters at high mach, fire BVR missiles, blow through the enemy force and only reluctantly get into a "fur ball" (the modern term for "dog fight"). Our short range missile (the Sidewinder) is a better killer than its Russian counterpart since it has much better of f-boresight capability,
F-22 tactics, as demonstrated in many exercise engagements are much the same as described above. Those tactics, which still work well, plus the stealthiness, speed, incredible radar performance and the best air-to-air missiles in the world have made the F-22 a 100 to one winner in all exercise engagements to date. That statement is a document fact. Also, if the F-22 did get into a turning engagement with the SU-30, there is no doubt in my mind as to which fighter would win -- the F-22 by very long odds.
Best regards,
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UH, The 37????? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
Our short range missile (the Sidewinder) is a better killer than its Russian counterpart since it has much better of f-boresight capability
did the AIM-9X finally enter service???
AFAIK the AIM-9M has NO off-boresight capability.
just curious, I know that for the longest time the R-73 was the only AAM with off-boresight capability0 -
i saw one of those at scott air force base last summer, i was driving down the highway watching it, while i'm not up on it like some of you to name the stuff he was doing but it was insane, i was shocked that the pilot was doing these maneuvers in such a highly populated area
i saw a show on it on the history channel, they claimed a 3 to dog fight with a f-18 would not even be a fair fight0 -
quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
UH, The 37?????
uhh, yes, 37.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-37.htm0 -
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
Re-check your facts, then post..?? what?0 -
As an Arm chair jet jockey and old crow whats been battle proven?[:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
Re-check your facts, then post..?? what?
U'r comment about thrust vectoring. BULL CRAP. U post, just to see what you have written, and to try to make anything any one else posts seem stupid. You, are "Mr. one-up" you can't help it.I will not read anything you post, or answer to, ever. So write what you will...0 -
There is only 2 of the 37s flying, right? They were shown at a show in 1991, then flown at another in 1996... still only two?? 0 -
got anything to say about your buddy mr. handload while you're at it? 0 -
He's a jakkoff too, thats Y he has a load in his hand....lol 0 -
Lockheed Martin is thanking some 650-850 engineers and other technical experts by laying them off. 0 -
No offense meant to anyone, but of course an American general is going to say the F-22 will beat all comers no problem. It's not like he's in the business of running America's military capabilities down.[;)][8D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
naah. the F22 is definitely faster, stealthier, and more electronically advanced, but the Sukhoi is more maneuverable even if it is heaveier and slower. it has 3D thrust vectoring, where the F22 has 2D.
I saw a video 8 years ago of a Sukhoi Su-37 doing the same things the F22 is doing in this video, but with ease and it was obviously much more acrobatic. either the F22 can't entirely do what the Su-37 can, or the Russian pilot was simply more skillful. for example, I saw him do a cobra and waggle his wings at the same time and it didn't look belabored at all, like the F22 did performing the basic maneuver.
the pilots should stick to the strengths of their airplanes. the F22 was not made to win a fight with maneuverability. the Su-37 was, at least among modern adversaries. you can be assured they've got more tactical maneuverability tricks up their sleeve when it comes to a fight. it's what they rely on.
your on drugs,0 -
quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
There is only 2 of the 37s flying, right? They were shown at a show in 1991, then flown at another in 1996... still only two??
check your numbers, we have them flying in deployments right now.0
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