I just saw an Opal,
that does 155MPH, and gets 133MPG.It looks like a Lotus, and has a 1.3L turbo DIESEL,with a 6-speed "clutchless manual" Trans. Amazing.Check-out the DISCOVERY CHANNEL.I set my Computer-room To Disc. and hid the remote![:D] I want one!![8D] Their talkin about HYDROGEN POWERED autos now.
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Hydrogen is the only, and ultimate, solution.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Hydrogen is the only, and ultimate, solution.
Doug
To almost ALL energy applications.If you take a few hours ,and a little research on it.0 -
Opal is a gem.
Opel is a car.0 -
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Hydrogen is the only, and ultimate, solution.
Doug
To almost ALL energy applications.If you take a few hours ,and a little research on it.
Its to cold here in MN for a Hydrogen car to work!0 -
Hydrogen is not the solution to the energy problems unless you mean Fusion power. Burning hydrogen is clean but the production of hydrogen is just as dirty and more expensive than other current means of produceing energy. Hydrogen us only a transfer mechanism. You either get Hydrogen by reformation of other hydrocarbons like Methane or alcohol or by electrolysis of water. The former is dirty an the later is very expensive. The density of hydrogen even liquid hydrogen is very low so it takes a big tank or high tech to get any sort of reasonalbe range out of a hydrogen vehicle. The hydrogen molecule is very small so hydrogen plumbing is prone to leakage and fires.
Battery tech is improving fast and we may be able to skip the hydrogen step and go directly to electric except for airplanes
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If we can get a car that runs 600 mi on batterys and a small gas or diesel motor, why couldn't that system be used in a small airplane? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dtknowles
Hydrogen is not the solution to the energy problems unless you mean Fusion power. Burning hydrogen is clean but the production of hydrogen is just as dirty and more expensive than other current means of produceing energy. Hydrogen us only a transfer mechanism. You either get Hydrogen by reformation of other hydrocarbons like Methane or alcohol or by electrolysis of water. The former is dirty an the later is very expensive. The density of hydrogen even liquid hydrogen is very low so it takes a big tank or high tech to get any sort of reasonalbe range out of a hydrogen vehicle. The hydrogen molecule is very small so hydrogen plumbing is prone to leakage and fires.
Battery tech is improving fast and we may be able to skip the hydrogen step and go directly to electric except for airplanes
Tim
That has all changed, my friend. The STOCK alternator in your car, will run the "GENERATOR".Do yourself a great favor.Look at the vid i posted, and keep looking at "Related Videos".Take a little time, and decide for yourself. If you still think Hydrogen is NOT the answer, feel free to reply to my topic. You will NEVER change my mind, so, please. Don't get too CRAZY...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzULkAOvris0 -
Anyone who thinks hydrogen is going to work is full of it. Watch "Who Killed the Electric Car" and you'll find out battery power is the way to go. 0 -
Fishkiller, got ya. I won't waste my fingers on zelots.
For everyone else who can think of using a car that doesn't burn a liquid fuel. Actually Hybrids are going to be the way to go for a big part of the future. Even the best batteries are going to take longer to charge than you worse line at the gas station.
I few makers are installing enough battery in Hybrids so that for even long commutes the IC engine never has to run. You can charge them at home and run more than 100 miles with resorting to gas.
Today the economics (increased cost of the car due to expensive batteries) are such that it is still cheaper to run a gas burner but it is getting real close so add another $1 to the price of gas or cut the cost of the battery down by a grand or two and the Hybrid will be the better deal.
The hydrogen guys can wait forever the numbers will never work out for them and the hydrogen filling stations well maybe someone will build some. Praxair and Air Products would love to sell hydrogen to gas stations but who is going to install the tanks and pumps0 -
quote:Originally posted by frankcastle13
Anyone who thinks hydrogen is going to work is full of it. Watch "Who Killed the Electric Car" and you'll find out battery power is the way to go.
The Lithium Ion Battery? Ever see how those work in the cold? I don't see it getting off the ground.
The three-cylinder turbo-diesel engine has been around a lot longer than the hybrid and gets competitive gas mileage (if not better gas mileage). I've seen enough Opel's to last a lifetime in Iraq. Other than some Volkswagon hatchbacks, the Opel is about all you'll find out there in the part of the sandbox where I was at. However, I'll take a 1.3L tubo diesel any day of the week.0 -
the answer is to drill in ANWAR and off the coast of Fl. and tell the environmentalists and the rugheads and the whinnies off the coat to go suck a big ol'............
stogie and drink a glass of bourbon and relax!0 -
I like the Opel Manta
here's a '760 -
but can they make it look and sound like a chevy smallblock? 0 -
All these alternative fuels are a load of BS. Oh, electric cars? Great, except where are you getting the electricity for them? Unless you have solar panels rigged up, you're getting the energy for them from a coal, oil, or nuclear power source, which doesn't make it any cleaner. Same with hyrdrogen. Yeah, it can be used for cars, and it only produces clean water.....at the car. At the powerplant where the electricity to make hydrogen comes from, you're still polluting.
Until the US gets smart with more "clean" energy, any alternative fuel cars aren't going to be any better for the environment.0 -
Tavis,
An electric car that gets its power from a coal fired powerplant is still cleaner than most cars and it does not use oil so we are not dependant on overseas supplies. I know that this is not greener but it is still better. If a lot of people start using electric cars then a lot of new electrical power production will have to be constructed and you can hope that the new power plants will be greener. Most cars will be charged at night to that will help with power demands some as they will be being charged in off peak times most places.0 -
idsman75
Yes, I have used Li-Poly batteries cold but why would you have to or want to do that. I normally warm them up in my pocket before I fly. That is for my electric powered RC model airplanes.
If you use them right after you charge them they are still warm and stay warm all through the discharge and actually I provide cooling air for the batteries during discharge to keep the temperatures down.
In Hybrid Cars I think most are still using NiMh cells. Battery temperature is important. If you charge overnight then things should be fine for the morning commute. In very cold climates you might need a battery warmer but then we used to have block warmers in our cars when I lived in Maine. Cars seem to handle the cold better now then they did in the 60's and 70's and I am sure that while electric cars and Hybrids will have some issues they will get worked out pretty quickly as the price of Gas continues to climb.
I know that the change will never happen for some people, they have a lot of emotion invested in things like V-8's, Turbos, hot rods, etc.
10 years ago most RC pilots had never seen a high performance electric powered model airplane today they are being used by many of the top competitors0
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