C&P "Gun control grab turns on ammunition -IN"
am sure many Indiana citizens are unaware that another grab is out to get legal gun owners in this state. They have decided that since they cannot get our guns, they are going to control our ammunition used in those guns.
Indiana State House bill 1260 introduced by Mr. Crawford is trying to pass an ammunition control bill that will strictly control all the ammunition we as citizens purchase for our firearms. All citizens interested in our freedom to keep and control our legally owned firearms should read this bill. It is another blatant attempt to strike at the core of our constitutional right to own firearms to defend ourselves and our families.
I urge everyone to read this bill and to contact your state representatives to urge them to defeat House Bill 1260. It was once said that people who own firearms are citizens, and those who do not own firearms are subjects. Which will you be?
Jack Miles, Richmond
Indiana State House bill 1260 introduced by Mr. Crawford is trying to pass an ammunition control bill that will strictly control all the ammunition we as citizens purchase for our firearms. All citizens interested in our freedom to keep and control our legally owned firearms should read this bill. It is another blatant attempt to strike at the core of our constitutional right to own firearms to defend ourselves and our families.
I urge everyone to read this bill and to contact your state representatives to urge them to defeat House Bill 1260. It was once said that people who own firearms are citizens, and those who do not own firearms are subjects. Which will you be?
Jack Miles, Richmond
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This hits home Jack. I'm in scenic Lizton. How do I read and track the progress of HB 1260? 0 -
link? 0 -
I can't find the bill, but here is a few things on it-
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum22/7519.html
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080208/NEWS0302/8020803370 -
The first link has some better info-
HOUSE BILL No. 1260
A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning public safety and to make an appropriation.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana:
SOURCE: IC 10-13-7; (08)IN1260.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 10-13-7 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW CHAPTER TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]:
Chapter 7. Indiana Encoded Ammunition Data Base
Sec. 1. As used in this chapter, "encoded ammunition" means ammunition that is encoded by a manufacturer under section 6 of this chapter.
Sec. 2. As used in this chapter, "handgun" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-47-1-6.
Sec. 3. As used in this chapter, "manufacturer" means a person who possesses a federal license to engage in the business of manufacturing ammunition for sale or distribution.
Sec. 4. As used in this chapter, "regulated firearm" means:
(1) a handgun; or
(2) any of the following assault weapons or their copies, regardless of which person produced and manufactured the assault
(A) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine.
(B) AK-47 in all forms.
(C) Algimec AGM-1 type semiautomatic.
(D) AR 100 type semiautomatic.
(E) AR 180 type semiautomatic.
(F) Argentine L.S.R. semiautomatic.
(G) Australian Automatic Arms SAR type semiautomatic.
(H) Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semiautomatics.
(I) Barrett light .50 caliber semiautomatic.
(J) Beretta AR70 type semiautomatic.
(K) Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle.
(L) Calico models M-100 and M-900.
(M) CIS SR 88 type semiautomatic.
(N) Claridge HI TEC C-9 carbines.
(O) Colt AR-15, CAR-15, and all imitations except Colt AR-15 Sporter H-BAR rifle.
(P) Daewoo MAX 1 and MAX 2, also known as AR 100, 110C, K-1, and K-2.
(Q) Dragunov Chinese made semiautomatic.
(R) Famas semiautomatic (.223 caliber).
(S) Feather AT-9 semiautomatic.
(T) FN LAR and FN FAL assault rifle.
(U) FNC semiautomatic type carbine.
(V) F.I.E./Franchi LAW 12 and SPAS 12 assault shotgun.
(W) Steyr-AUG-SA semiautomatic.
(X) Galil models AR and ARM semiautomatic.
(Y) Heckler and Koch HK-91 A3, HK-93 A2, HK-94 A2 and A3.
(Z) Holmes model 88 shotgun.
(AA) Avtomat Kalashnikov semiautomatic rifle in any format.
(BB) Manchester Arms "Commando" MK-45, MK-9.
(CC) Mandell TAC-1 semiautomatic carbine.
(DD) Mossberg model 500 Bullpup assault shotgun.
(EE) Sterling Mark 6.
(FF) P.A.W.S. carbine.
(GG) Ruger mini-14 folding stock model (.223 caliber).
(HH) SIG 550/551 assault rifle (.223 caliber).
(II) SKS with detachable magazine.
(JJ) AP-74 Commando type semiautomatic.
(KK) Springfield Armory BM-59, SAR-48, G3, SAR-3,
M-21 sniper rifle, M1A, excluding the M1 Garand.
(LL) Street sweeper assault type shotgun.
(MM) Striker 12 assault shotgun in all formats.
(NN) Unique F11 semiautomatic type.
(OO) Daewoo USAS 12 semiautomatic shotgun.
(PP) UZI 9mm carbine or rifle.
(QQ) Valmet M-76 and M-78 semiautomatic.
(RR) Weaver Arms "Nighthawk" semiautomatic carbine.
(SS) Wilkinson Arms 9mm semiautomatic "Terry".
Sec. 5. After June 30, 2009, a person may not sell ammunition at retail for a regulated firearm unless the ammunition has been encoded by a manufacturer as described in section 6 of this chapter.
Sec. 6. (a) By July 1, 2009, a manufacturer shall encode all ammunition for regulated firearms provided for retail sale in Indiana:
(1) in the manner provided under rules adopted by the superintendent; and
(2) so that:
(A) the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round in a box of ammunition are encoded with the same serial number;
(B) each serial number is engraved in a manner that is highly likely to allow identification after ammunition discharge and bullet impact; and
(C) the outside of each box of ammunition is labeled with the name of the manufacturer and the same serial number used on the bases of bullets and cartridge casings contained in the box.
(b) Ammunition described in subsection (a) that is contained in one (1) ammunition box may not be labeled with the same serial number as ammunition contained in any other ammunition box produced by the same manufacturer.
Sec. 7. (a) The superintendent shall:
(1) establish an encoded ammunition data base before July 1, 2009; and
(2) maintain the data base after it is established.
(b) After June 30, 2009, a manufacturer that does business in Indiana shall provide the following information to the superintendent for inclusion in the encoded ammunition data base:
(1) The manufacturer's name and address.
(2) The serial numbers of encoded ammunition offered for
sale by the manufacturer in Indiana.
(3) Any other information that the superintendent considers necessary.
(c) After June 30, 2009, a person who sells encoded ammunition at retail in Indiana shall provide the following information to the superintendent for inclusion in the encoded ammunition data base:
(1) The date of each encoded ammunition purchase.
(2) The name and date of birth of each person who purchases encoded ammunition.
(3) The driver's license number of each person who purchases encoded ammunition or another identification number issued to the person by the state or federal government.
(4) The serial numbers of all encoded ammunition purchased by each person.
(5) Any other information that the superintendent considers necessary.
(d) A person who sells encoded ammunition at retail in Indiana shall maintain copies of all records submitted to the superintendent under subsection (c) for at least three (3) years after the date of a sale.
Sec. 8. (a) This section does not apply to a sale of encoded ammunition to a federal, state, or local law enforcement agency.
(b) A fee of five cents ($0.05) per round is imposed on the sale of encoded ammunition that is sold at retail in Indiana.
(c) The person who sells encoded ammunition at retail in Indiana to the ultimate consumer of the encoded ammunition shall collect the fee imposed by this section.
(d) A person who collects a fee under subsection (c):
(1) shall pay the fees:
(A) to the department of state revenue; and
(B) at the same time and in the same manner that the person pays the state gross retail tax collected by the person to the department of state revenue;
(2) shall indicate on the return:
(A) prescribed by the department of state revenue; and
(B) used for the payment of state gross retail taxes;
that the person is also paying fees collected under subsection (c); and
(3) may deduct and retain one percent (1%) of the fees required to be paid to the department of state revenue under this subsection.
(e) The department of state revenue shall deposit fees collected
under subsection (c) in the encoded ammunition data base fund established by section 9 of this chapter.
Sec. 9. (a) The encoded ammunition data base fund is established to operate the encoded ammunition data base established under section 7 of this chapter. The fund shall be administered by the superintendent.
(b) The expenses of administering the fund shall be paid from money in the fund.
(c) The treasurer of state shall invest the money in the fund not currently needed to meet the obligations of the fund in the same manner as other public money may be invested. Interest that accrues from these investments shall be deposited in the fund.
(d) Money in the fund at the end of a state fiscal year does not revert to the state general fund.
(e) All money accruing to the fund is appropriated continuously for the purposes specified in subsection (a).
Sec. 10. Before July 1, 2011, a person who owns ammunition for a regulated firearm that is not encoded ammunition shall dispose of the ammunition.
Sec. 11. (a) A person who knowingly or intentionally violates this chapter commits a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) A person who knowingly or intentionally destroys or otherwise renders unreadable information encoded on encoded ammunition commits a Class A misdemeanor.
Sec. 12. The superintendent shall adopt rules under IC 4-22-2 necessary to implement this chapter.
SOURCE: ; (08)IN1260.1.2. --> SECTION 2. [EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE] (a) The superintendent of the state police department shall adopt rules under IC 4-22-2 to implement IC 10-13-7, as added by this act, before January 1, 2009.
(b) This SECTION expires January 2, 2009.
SOURCE: ; (08)IN1260.1.3. --> SECTION 3. An emergency is declared for this act.0 -
They are hell bent on disarming us one way or another. They will either take your guns or they will take your ammo.
Time to stockpile as well as learn to use muzzleloaders, compound bows and crossbows.
All this to help solve and prevent crimes? Yeah right...and I have beach front property in Arkansas too.0 -
...Indiana gun-grabbing Nazis! ALL BAD!!! Notice all the "SEMI'S" ALL BAD!!!!!! Most of the State's reps will only take correspondence from their state's constituants...if I lived there, I'd be on a media blitz and every means possible recruiting people to fight this!
...With a pen gentlemen, with a pen...[V][xx(][:(!]
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Also read complete bill, it would stop all reloading of ammo for evil guns & handgun. Must have code stamp on ammo. If passed would have to use up all ammo or dispose of by 2011 Yeah right. Right now they will not accept it on the floor, but could change. 0 -
I emailed my reps. Will also be talking to them personally come Monday. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cbxjeff
This hits home Jack. I'm in scenic Lizton. How do I read and track the progress of HB 1260?
Jeff, go to www.IN.Gov and click on General Assembly. Here is a direct link http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2008&request=getBill&docno=1260
You can also keep current on where this bill is at and info about how to contact your Rep. and Senator. I'm going to contact my Rep. and Senator about this but Indiana is pretty gun friendly so this bill probably won't get anywhere.0 -
Here in another link that I found. They want to charge us 5 cents per round to fund this crap.DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL
Encoded ammunition. Requires ammunition manufacturers to encode all ammunition: (1) provided for retail sale in Indiana; and (2) used in handguns and assault weapons; by July 1, 2009. Prohibits a person from selling ammunition at retail after June 30, 2009, unless the ammunition has been encoded by a manufacturer. Requires the superintendent of the state police department to establish and maintain an encoded ammunition data base before July 1, 2009. Requires ammunition manufacturers and persons who sell ammunition at retail to provide certain information concerning encoded ammunition sales and persons who purchase encoded ammunition to the superintendent for inclusion in the data base. Imposes a fee of $0.05 per round on the sale of encoded ammunition that is sold at retail. Requires the fees to be deposited in the encoded ammunition data base fund to operate the data base. Requires a person who owns ammunition for a handgun or assault weapon that is not encoded ammunition to dispose of the ammunition before July 1, 2011. Makes an appropriation.
Current Status:
First reading: referred to Committee on Public Policy
Latest Printing (PDF)
Action List
Introduced Bill
Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF)
Indiana Code Citations Affected
House Committee Reports
House Amendments
Senate Committee Reports
Senate Amendments
Conference Committee Reports
DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL
Encoded ammunition. Requires ammunition manufacturers to encode all ammunition: (1) provided for retail sale in Indiana; and (2) used in handguns and assault weapons; by July 1, 2009. Prohibits a person from selling ammunition at retail after June 30, 2009, unless the ammunition has been encoded by a manufacturer. Requires the superintendent of the state police department to establish and maintain an encoded ammunition data base before July 1, 2009. Requires ammunition manufacturers and persons who sell ammunition at retail to provide certain information concerning encoded ammunition sales and persons who purchase encoded ammunition to the superintendent for inclusion in the data base. Imposes a fee of $0.05 per round on the sale of encoded ammunition that is sold at retail. Requires the fees to be deposited in the encoded ammunition data base fund to operate the data base. Requires a person who owns ammunition for a handgun or assault weapon that is not encoded ammunition to dispose of the ammunition before July 1, 2011. Makes an appropriation.
Current Status:
First reading: referred to Committee on Public Policy
Latest Printing (PDF)
Action List
Introduced Bill
Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF)
Indiana Code Citations Affected
House Committee Reports
House Amendments
Senate Committee Reports
Senate Amendments
Conference Committee Reports0 -
If only the ammo makers would have the ba... to stand up like Ronnie Barrett and refuse to sell ammo to LE in that state as well... 0 -
ammo prices have quadrupled. theyre gonna pinch us until we yell uncle. it was thought that the only way to fight it is to ride the storm and hope for a huge discounts to loyal customers afterwards from dealers when it passes. 0 -
I just said two weeks ago that the ammo will go first. It will raise much less alarm than a house to house gun grab. 0 -
quote:If only the ammo makers would have the ba... to stand up like Ronnie Barrett and refuse to sell ammo to LE in that state as well...
Now that, would be very American.
Did all you Indianans forget to pay your NRA dues? And now you hav eto do it yourselves? You'll find you get much better results. Sic 'em!0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
quote:If only the ammo makers would have the ba... to stand up like Ronnie Barrett and refuse to sell ammo to LE in that state as well...
Now that, would be very American.
Did all you Indianans forget to pay your NRA dues? And now you hav eto do it yourselves? You'll find you get much better results. Sic 'em!
Some folks calls us Hoosier's. [:)]0 -
yep..as ive said here before, you have the constitutional right to own guns...but no legal right to own the ammunition for them...things will only get worse from here on for you....for those of you who can afford it, stock up while you can...bury it if you have to!..there are ways to make sure it will stay viable to use, even years after it has been buried!. 0 -
What the hell is a "Indianans" We're Hoosiers 0 -
[:I]1,000 pardons....execkly, vut es hoosher? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dan kelly
bury it if you have to!..there are ways to make sure it will stay viable to use, even years after it has been buried!.
What good is it if its buried?
Either turn it in or get to work0 -
it makes more sense for them to put limits on the ammount of ammo you can have, the anti gunners can do that easily enough once they control enough seats in your congress for those who oppose it to have no influence to stop them...they will fail if they keep trying to take your guns..eventually your supreme court will say they have gone too far.the supreme court wont have a say if they control the ammount of ammunition each person can possess. if anyone is caught with more than the legal ammount of ammunition, then it would be a felony, therefore, you would loose the legal right to own guns by default!i just cant see the day when even 50% of gunownres there woulkd stand together and fight to keep your constitutional rights to own guns...as individuals, you would be defeated in no time flat. there are what?...300 million americans?...do you think your government would hesitate to kill 500 000 to keep control of the country? i dont, they would wipe you out without a second thought ! 0 -
wonder if the ammo companies could file a blocking of commerce lawsuit to stop that-as no other state(yet) is requiring that nonsense. then again states like CA have goofy rules for handguns forcing makers to offer CA legal versions or not sell that model in the state. Hopefully that bill will never come to a vote. always a good idea to stock up--I have enough .30/30, .270, .45LC, .44 reloading components to last a lifetime-now I just need components for the 5 other calibers I have lol. 0 -
90 Million gun owners
4 Million N.R.A. members
If You're not part of the SOLUTION---You're part of the PROBLEM ! [:(!]0 -
Can you believe that a similar bill has ben introduced in Mississippi of all places? 0
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