More on the Lakotah withdawl from the U.S.
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The Republic of Lakotah. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I assume it will be $ettled in the court$. 0 -
i wish them well...no treaty by govt. has been honored & indians have about the highest level of poverty, alcoholism, unemployment, etc of any group though recent advances have been made via casinos & business ventures...i think they are trying to preclude being overrun a second time by the mexicans...............................recommend two excellent books---I HAVE SPOKEN by armstrong (american history thru voices of indians)...many speeches said so much in few words like lincolns gettysburg address that makes this an impressive read---& BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE by brown 0 -
good, another "taxpayer funds black hole" that can be closed.
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ROFLMAO [:D]
" JAN 1, 2008
Notice to All Foreign Governments and Private Owners of Real Estate within the Republic of Lakotah
TO:
The United States of America;
The States of: Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota and Nebraska;
The County and Municipal Governments Operating within the Republic of Lakotah; and All Private Owners of Real Estate within the Republic of Lakotah
Lakotah, through its government, have appointed representatives to withdraw from all the treaties with the United States of America.
Lakotah, through such representatives, have formally withdrawn from all agreements and treaties with the United States of America. The reinstitution of our freedom and independence is found in law.
Lakotah has reclaimed sovereignty as a nation and over its traditional lands.
Despite many years of repeated bad faith on the part of the United States government towards the Lakotah People, the Lakotah hold no animosity toward the American people, most of whom have had no part in the actions of their government. We wish to deal with the American people in good faith and in a win-win manner.
While we have the right to impose liens on all of the real estate in our country, we prefer to come to resolutions with you all with out resorting to such measures. Accordingly, at this time, we are only declaring liens on real estate held by governments foreign to the Republic of Lakotah, but not on real estate held by private parties.
The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America and the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties substantiate this freedom.
Lakotah welcomes the opportunity to meet and discuss this matter. We are in the process of scheduling meetings and will issue public invitations. Should you desire input with regard to scheduling these meetings, please contact us at the above.
Russell Means, Chief Facilitator
Provisional Government
Republic of Lakotah
Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US
Dec 19, 2007
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Lakotah Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.
"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference. more...
Lakotah Sioux May Be Best and Bravest of Us
Dec 21, 2007
And So It Begins
In an incredible irony, the very people that the United States have most oppressed throughout our history may hold the key to freedom for all of us.
Few Americans remember the siege at Wounded Knee in the mid-1970s, but perhaps they should. Members of the AIM, or the American Indian Movement, occupied parts of Pine Ridge in protest over the brutal killings of two of their own, the disgustingly mild prosecutions for those murders, and the beating of the mother of one of those two when she attempted to seek justice from the U.S. government. The AIM were seeking their rights under U.S. law and for the U.S. government to honor treaties with the American Indian that had been ignored for more than a century. It was a lawful - and a peaceful until attacked - protest. more..."0 -
I stand with them in body and Spirit, but they are gonna get their asses handed to them (again) if they persist.
It would be good if this really were the precursor to a new Beginning.
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"Accordingly, at this time, we are only declaring liens on real estate held by governments foreign to the Republic of Lakotah, but not on real estate held by private parties."
he knows he'd be wacked in less ten seconds putting liens on private owners
he was escorted off the res that i live next to in the 70's at gun point by his own kind[;)]0 -
Good for them, hope they make billions with their casinos and selling untaxed cigarettes.... 0 -
Russell Means, Leonard Pelletier, and a host of other Red-on-the-outside rabble have been trying to foment Indian Revolution for decades to no avail. I doubt the "Lakotah" will win any hearts or minds with this stunt anymore than the Mohawk Brotherhood did when they assaulted a town in the U.P. of Michigan.
If you really want to see some Indian Rage against the Whites, or Browns, or Yellows; visit Farmington or Gallup. There's at least 1 incident per day of some non-Indian getting beat, robbed, stabbed or shot, and that's been going on since the 60's!0 -
Actually if the Fed's played along....they could profit from this.
Making all those white folk move would eat up alot of empty houses in the market and make the people move to better parts of the country with jobs. GDP would increase, unemployment would be cut in half......there is only one spot I see the Fed's getting sore about.
That crappy airbase in South Dakota that should have been closed decades ago that serves no purpose.
Just demand that I-80 remains Federal Land in exchange for us protection the injuns from invasion. The indians will throw up Casino's and resorts along I-80....bringing in tourists from around the world...that the Fed's would profit from via airtravel and what the tourists spend from LAX or NYC to the Lakotah Territory.
It could happen and make the country better. No Federal labor laws or environmental laws to get the oil out from under Lakotah Territory....cheaper supply of oil for America....becomes Federally taxable after it leaves Lakotah Territory.
Mexicans would get jobs in Lakotah Territory to dress up as Injuns and run the Casino's....lol.0 -
Do they have the guts to die for their convictions, or at least fight until they are captured and locked up? It is more likely that they will negotiate some sort of pay-off rather than make another American hero out of an idiot. 0 -
I hope everything turns out good for them. Its to bad more people dont follow there lead. 0 -
They've recently started a chat on ther site that seems to be
getting some attention. I stopped in there yesterday evening, and
someone said "250 members in 1 day".
There seemed to be some concern that they're not getting much national
media coverage.
I wonder if that's not intentional, for now, while the gov. figures
out just how they want to handle this.
I just sat and watched, didn't partake, but for the most part it was
just normal chat.0 -
I fear we'd better not exclude the possibility of a sneak attack!
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I'm not sure what's really going on, most of the Lakota people haven't heard about this.
Will they stand up to the pressure? They did at Wounded Knee in 1973, we'll have to see this time, who knows.
I don't expect them to get media coverage until they actually put the liens on property, something they seem to have found a way to do.
There are "white" supporters, the ones I know are around Sturgis, some are land owners, read ranchers.
They are asking for a small portion of the 1868 treaty, which promised virtually everything west of the Missouri River. I can't figure out how they came up with the boundries they are currently setting, some of the land is Cheyenne and Crow, I don't know if they are involved, I am still waiting to hear from someone who knows a little more about this.
Casinos are NOT how they are looking for financial income, they are too constitutional for that. Remember, thee idea for our Constitution came from the Confederated Tribes on the east coast.
Interstate 40, in eastern New Mexico, is on Indian Land. About 12 years ago the N.M. Govt decided not to honor part of a treaty, the Indians moved to put barriers across the interstate, the Feds came in and forced the State Govt to honor the Federal treaty.
IMHO, this latest outcry for a more honest Govt may help ALL AMERICANS to unite for a more peaceful nation, maybe helping us to unite enough to clean up some of the corruption, I am always looking for a positive wave..0 -
"this latest outcry for a more honest Govt may help ALL AMERICANS to unite for a more peaceful nation, maybe helping us to unite enough to clean up some of the corruption, I am always looking for a positive wave.."
So badly needed, and gets MY full support.[:)]0 -
i dont see how any of you guys cann support some one wanting to break free from the UNITED States of America. Next i guess well just give California to Mexico right? 0 -
hey,,giving California back to Mexico may not be such a bad thing if you think about it..at least everything from San Fran south,,[:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by SuburbanNoize
Next i guess well just give California to Mexico right?
How could you tell?0 -
SuburbanNoize,
Indian Reservations were never part of the US to begin with.
If they were...they owe alot of back State taxes.[:p]0 -
if youre not american, youre the enemy.
invade, conquer, asimilate or destroy.
next case.0 -
By believing that our government needs some drastic correction is in
NO way "not wanting to be American".
It's just wanting America to be as it should be.[:)]0 -
quote:SuburbanNoize:
i dont see how any of you guys cann support some one wanting to break free from the UNITED States of America. Next i guess well just give California to Mexico right?
... California belongs to the United States?
I didn't know THAT!
When did THAT happen?
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quote:Originally posted by AZEX
good, another "taxpayer funds black hole" that can be closed.
D.
Yep. I am afraid this will turn into the usual of still wanting everything but giving nothing. Kinda like our relationship with the Phillipnes.0 -
The US Government has never dealt in good faith with the Indian Nations, other than dumping handouts on them. The big problem was in identifying these tribes as Nations. This provides a diplomatic recognition of them as such. No the chickens are coming home to roost.
This is one of many of the signals of the beginning of the the end of the USA as we know it. The Federal government will either cave and allow this to happen or brutally oppress it as Lincoln did the southern states. Either way the USA, or spirit thereof, will whither and die.0 -
The problem...
Tribes (clans) were assigned nations within the US. Thus, the Seneca Nation here in the east is composed of many clans and is supposed to be a sovereign political entity by treaty.
So... A nation within a state within a nation. Very interesting!
Here in the east the indians were mostly subjugated by 1800. The ruling politicians at the time crafted treaties which seemed to insure that the indian people would remain apart and live in inferiority from the general population. Under the "generous" terms of these treaties it was assured that the native peoples were assigned to largely unwanted tracts of land of little value to the US as a whole. That was then.
Along came progress. Oil, timber, and everything associated with it. The need for railroads and highways. I'm amazed to this day that our esteemed politicians could have stretched their own rules to the extent that they did. But they did.
And now the worm has turned. Our indian population has discovered a way to use treaties in their favor. They can read and understand with the best of us. They know the definition of "NATION" and they've begun to take advantage of what was promised two hundred years in the past.
Strangely, the very governments who formulated these treaties and forced them on our indian populations now want to re-word these documents. Would it possibly be because someone in the Nations discovered the word sovereign and its meaning? Would it be because worthless people on worthless land suddenly became a potential revenue source?
I mostly dislike Russel Means. I believe that he's a bigot. But I understand what he's saying. Nation status is just that. The US can't declare a nation within itself, then turn around and place agents within what has been declared apart. The act of doing so is an invasion of sovereign territory and an act of war. Expulsion of US agents from within Nation Territory, even at the peril or loss of their lives, is a legitimate action.
Conversely, once full independent status has been established, then inhabitants of the Nations must recognize that surrounding political entities have every right to treat them as they would any other foreign country. Customs, passports, duties, etc.
In other words, Russel Means would not be living in New Mexico at the moment enjoying the rights and privileges of a US citizen. He might be there on a visa, but unless on sovereign indian soil he'd merely be a guest of the US.
Travel could be complicated for such a man. The US might not grant him a visa. Overflight from nation to nation might well not be granted. Boarders might be sealed. These are legitimate actions amongst nations.
In other words the thought of independent nations within a nation is interesting. In order to work, though, there must be a benefit for all concerned. Russel may have missed this point.0 -
you wanna see a very very dad deal develope, try and take away all our land that us landowners own in the area talked about.
i think we should just give them both coasts.[;)]0 -
When I was working up in the oil sands of northern Alberta in the late 1980s the Canadian engineers on my team all thought that the Canadian Indians claim and desire for their own seperate territory was just plain crazy. Those same guys stopped laughing in 1999 when the Nunavut territory was formed. The discovery of diamonds and the construction of diamond mines in that area just a few years later made the 30,000 folks (mostly indians) who lived up there in the middle of the frozen north very happy [:D]. 0 -
Even IF they were sucessful it is unlikely that much would change within the nation. Currently without assistance from our government the tribes would have, and the average member doesn't appear to have the desire to aquire, either the skills or resources to maintain the meager life they have now much less improve it. They would likely remain a third world nation even if they were able to tap into the rich oil reserves and casino moneys, due to corruption and inability or lack of desire to change the social problems they are now experiencing. I have friends and classmates that are social workers that work and live with these people. They tell me all the tools are there for these people to change their social conditions but most don't care about anything more than what is happening today. I'm not saying that they would have to become americanized but just to maintain a level of education and comfort required to sucsessfully live and compete in our modern world. I doubt they would ever be less than 50-75 years behind the nations that would be around them (US,Canada). 0 -
How many people 'for the Indians' live near a reservation? They don't take care of what we do give them. Another thing, how many 'Indians' do you know, real Indians, with at least a 50% real Indian bloodline? Most of them are just as 'mixed blood' as the rest of us. 0 -
Maybe this will be another Waco incident. The Indian reservations need to be taxed at the same rate as everyone else and treated just like all citizens. The free casino ride needs to end NOW. What a load of crap.
The war against the Indians was the only war in history almost won.0
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