Shipping to Calif...What gives
What Gives, Everywhere I turn I see Dealer after Dealer not selling C&R Pistols and Long guns to Calif C&R Holders. The Law Clearly states in the Reg. Why deny more folks the right to good guns when in fact is perfectly legal. Am I missing something?
Here is the Law:
Handgun Safety, Functionality, and testing Requirements
No handgun may be manufactured or sold to the public in California unless it is of a make
and model that has passed required safety and functionality tests and is approved for
publication in the Department of Justice's official list of handguns certified as safe for sale
in California. Any person who manufactures, imports into the state for sale, sells, gives, or
lends an unsafe handgun is guilty of a misdemeanor. (Penal Code ? 12125.)
The current list of handguns certified as safe for sale in California is available on the
Firearms Division's website at http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/certlist.htm.
Exceptions
The prohibition against manufacturing, importing, selling, or giving an unsafe handgundoes not apply to the following:
The manufacture in this state, or importation into this state, of any prototype
handgun when the manufacture or importation is for the sole purpose of allowing an
independent laboratory certified by the Department of Justice to conduct an
independent test to determine whether that handgun qualifies to be added to the
roster of handguns that may be sold in this state. (Penal Code ? 12125.)
The importation or lending of a handgun by employees or authorized agents of an
independent testing laboratory for purposes of determining whether the weapon
meets Department of Justice criteria to be added to the roster of handguns that may
be sold in this state. (Penal Code ? 12125.)
Firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the
Code of Federal Regulations. (Penal Code ? 12125.)
The requirements for handguns to pass safety and functionality tests and to be listed in the
Department of Justice's official list of handguns certified as safe for sale in California do
not apply to transactions involving the following:
Private party transfers of handguns occurring through a firearms dealer. or sheriff's
department. (Penal Code ? 12132(a).) Firearm transfers that, subject to any specified exemption, are not required to be
conducted by firearms dealers. (Penal Code ? 12132(b).)
Sales, loans, or transfers of firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section
178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations. (Penal Code ?? 12132(c)and (g).) The delivery of a handgun to a licensed firearms dealer for the purposes of
servicing or repairing that firearm and the subsequent return of the handgun by the
licensed firearms dealer to its owner. (Penal Code ? 12132(d) and (e).)
The return of a handgun by a licensed firearms dealer to its owner where that
firearm was initially delivered to that firearms dealer for the purpose of a
consignment sale or as collateral for a pawnbroker loan. (Penal Code ? 12132(f).)
Single-action revolvers with at least a five-cartridge capacity, a barrel length of not
less than three inches, and either: (a) were originally manufactured prior to 1900
and are curios or relics, as defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations; or (b) have an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of
at least seven and one-half inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are
assembled. (Penal Code ? 12133.)
Single-shot pistols with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that have an
overall length of at least 10 ? inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel
are assembled. (Penal Code ? 12133.)
The following pistols sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by
USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition
in the United States, and that
I see the Same on Century Arms Web site as well. I will be calling them to Clarify. I do beleive you need a Certificate of Eligibilty COE as well, That is a Yearly background check
Which I have.
So whats the Deal? I am thinking that these Dealers just think if it is not on the approved list it cannot be sold, not realizing it does not apply to C&R weapons.
I have personally called and spoken to a Rep at the DOJ and she confirmed what I am saying.
Here is the Law:
Handgun Safety, Functionality, and testing Requirements
No handgun may be manufactured or sold to the public in California unless it is of a make
and model that has passed required safety and functionality tests and is approved for
publication in the Department of Justice's official list of handguns certified as safe for sale
in California. Any person who manufactures, imports into the state for sale, sells, gives, or
lends an unsafe handgun is guilty of a misdemeanor. (Penal Code ? 12125.)
The current list of handguns certified as safe for sale in California is available on the
Firearms Division's website at http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/certlist.htm.
Exceptions
The prohibition against manufacturing, importing, selling, or giving an unsafe handgundoes not apply to the following:
The manufacture in this state, or importation into this state, of any prototype
handgun when the manufacture or importation is for the sole purpose of allowing an
independent laboratory certified by the Department of Justice to conduct an
independent test to determine whether that handgun qualifies to be added to the
roster of handguns that may be sold in this state. (Penal Code ? 12125.)
The importation or lending of a handgun by employees or authorized agents of an
independent testing laboratory for purposes of determining whether the weapon
meets Department of Justice criteria to be added to the roster of handguns that may
be sold in this state. (Penal Code ? 12125.)
Firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the
Code of Federal Regulations. (Penal Code ? 12125.)
The requirements for handguns to pass safety and functionality tests and to be listed in the
Department of Justice's official list of handguns certified as safe for sale in California do
not apply to transactions involving the following:
Private party transfers of handguns occurring through a firearms dealer. or sheriff's
department. (Penal Code ? 12132(a).) Firearm transfers that, subject to any specified exemption, are not required to be
conducted by firearms dealers. (Penal Code ? 12132(b).)
Sales, loans, or transfers of firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section
178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations. (Penal Code ?? 12132(c)and (g).) The delivery of a handgun to a licensed firearms dealer for the purposes of
servicing or repairing that firearm and the subsequent return of the handgun by the
licensed firearms dealer to its owner. (Penal Code ? 12132(d) and (e).)
The return of a handgun by a licensed firearms dealer to its owner where that
firearm was initially delivered to that firearms dealer for the purpose of a
consignment sale or as collateral for a pawnbroker loan. (Penal Code ? 12132(f).)
Single-action revolvers with at least a five-cartridge capacity, a barrel length of not
less than three inches, and either: (a) were originally manufactured prior to 1900
and are curios or relics, as defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations; or (b) have an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of
at least seven and one-half inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are
assembled. (Penal Code ? 12133.)
Single-shot pistols with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that have an
overall length of at least 10 ? inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel
are assembled. (Penal Code ? 12133.)
The following pistols sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by
USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition
in the United States, and that
I see the Same on Century Arms Web site as well. I will be calling them to Clarify. I do beleive you need a Certificate of Eligibilty COE as well, That is a Yearly background check
Which I have.
So whats the Deal? I am thinking that these Dealers just think if it is not on the approved list it cannot be sold, not realizing it does not apply to C&R weapons.
I have personally called and spoken to a Rep at the DOJ and she confirmed what I am saying.
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...I tend to agree with Les. I don't think he is calling the newbie stupid though, as he implied the Commie-Fornians ACCEPT the governance they have and do not work too damn hard to change it..that, is obvious. Commie-Fornians just accept the repressive laws, and call it "ok" so they can live in the sunshine state...with the fires, earthquakes, and the very strange people in San Fran-Freako ([:0])
......I don't think they realize there is a whole entire different country that is just as nice or nicer, to the east...[:D]
...IF, I just had to live in that God Forgotten State, I'd be out working my azz off helping some gun friendly political types get elected; not just casting my one vote now and then. Luck to all the gun lovers out there, they need it...[^]
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