My letter to Compare Foods
This is part of my post about takeing a stand at the grocery store yesterday. I emailed Compare Foods headquarters about it this morning. Here is what I wrote:
I made a disturbing observation at your store in Rock Hill SC.
I have a legal concealed weapons permit and I do carry a gun with me most all the time. I have been driving about 15 miles to shop at your store because I do feel that you have good prices and I am saving money by shopping there.
Well yesterday I noticed a sign in the doorway of your store at about knee level that said:
No Guns
No weapons
No Loitering
All violations will be prosecuted
First of all let me state that the sign and the way it was posted is not a legal posting to not allow a concealed weapons permit holder from carrying into your store (at the end of my letter I will include the regulation on this sign).
Second, I will no longer be shopping there due to the fact that you do not want me to exercise my 2nd amendment rights and legally carry my gun as the state government has said that I have a right to do after receiving all the proper training.
I carry a gun for the protection of myself, my family, and those around me. This could include your customers and employees if something was to happen while I was in your store.
Also by not allowing your customers to keep a means of protecting themselves you are legally liable for the safety of your customers.
If this policy is to continue I will no longer be shopping at your store and will also be notifying many friends of mine throughout the community who are also permit holders of your policies asking them to not shop at your stores.
Thank you for taking time to read this letter.
Kevin Rufert
Here is the requirements for the signs as they should be posted:
SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty six inches wide by forty eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;
(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety six inches above the ground;
(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.
I made a disturbing observation at your store in Rock Hill SC.
I have a legal concealed weapons permit and I do carry a gun with me most all the time. I have been driving about 15 miles to shop at your store because I do feel that you have good prices and I am saving money by shopping there.
Well yesterday I noticed a sign in the doorway of your store at about knee level that said:
No Guns
No weapons
No Loitering
All violations will be prosecuted
First of all let me state that the sign and the way it was posted is not a legal posting to not allow a concealed weapons permit holder from carrying into your store (at the end of my letter I will include the regulation on this sign).
Second, I will no longer be shopping there due to the fact that you do not want me to exercise my 2nd amendment rights and legally carry my gun as the state government has said that I have a right to do after receiving all the proper training.
I carry a gun for the protection of myself, my family, and those around me. This could include your customers and employees if something was to happen while I was in your store.
Also by not allowing your customers to keep a means of protecting themselves you are legally liable for the safety of your customers.
If this policy is to continue I will no longer be shopping at your store and will also be notifying many friends of mine throughout the community who are also permit holders of your policies asking them to not shop at your stores.
Thank you for taking time to read this letter.
Kevin Rufert
Here is the requirements for the signs as they should be posted:
SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty six inches wide by forty eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;
(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety six inches above the ground;
(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.
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Compare Foods are not nice folks. Have had business dealings with them in the past, not me buying food, and have found them to be someone to stay away from.
Speaking of Compare Foods. Was an article in yesterdays Charlotte fish wrap, seems they have a problem with the employment folks, they have been replacing older employees with latinos. Hmmmmm.0 -
Why make such a big deal out of it? There sign was improper...you carry into store anyway...nobody even notices, unless you need to flash your RIA for ego trips.
Now "IF" someone brought this to the manager's attention and you were asked to leave and refused, police would be called and you could explain to them about the improperly displayed sign and go home without much trouble.
What you have now done is guarantee that the corporate office will have properly displayed signs in all of the SC stores by the end of the month. Now, you and a whole poopload of other people will not be allowed to carry into these stores! Way to go genius!!!!!!!!
Part of carrying concealed is the concealment, this includes your lips too! I carry everywhere I go that I am allowed to by law and John Q. Public is none the wiser!0 -
"Rock Hill SC"
Well shazaaaam...I've got a couple buddies from Rock Hill.
Sadly, I lost a buddy a couple years back from there. He had a serious drinking problem and was killed in a car crash after a long night of boozing. No seat belt either. I'm still pissed at him for being so foolish.[V] I miss having his goofy azz around at the races. RIP Mikey...0 -
Good letter, doubt it will do much good to a gun grabber.
You did kind of contradict yourself in one part.
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Second, I will no longer be shopping there due to the fact that you do not want me to exercise my 2nd amendment rights and legally carry my gun as the state government has said that I have a right to do after receiving all the proper training.
I carry a gun for the protection of myself, my family, and those around me. This could include your customers and employees if something was to happen while I was in your store.
Also by not allowing your customers to keep a means of protecting themselves you are legally liable for the safety of your customers.
If this policy is to continue I will no longer be shopping at your store and will also be notifying many friends of mine throughout the community who are also permit holders of your policies asking them to not shop at your stores.0 -
quote:Originally posted by scrumpyjack
Why make such a big deal out of it? There sign was improper...you carry into store anyway...nobody even notices, unless you need to flash your RIA for ego trips.
Now "IF" someone brought this to the manager's attention and you were asked to leave and refused, police would be called and you could explain to them about the improperly displayed sign and go home without much trouble.
What you have now done is guarantee that the corporate office will have properly displayed signs in all of the SC stores by the end of the month. Now, you and a whole poopload of other people will not be allowed to carry into these stores! Way to go genius!!!!!!!!
Part of carrying concealed is the concealment, this includes your lips too! I carry everywhere I go that I am allowed to by law and John Q. Public is none the wiser!
To me it is a matter of priciple.
This sign was new as it had not been there the other times that I went there.
I don't really advertise that I am carrying but if asked I will not deny that I am. I do not worry who knows about my carrying at any time.
This also was the first time I have ever came across a sign of any type prohibiting guns in the whole time I have had my permit (besides the normal off limits places).
You are right that I could have just let well enuff alone and carried anyway, but at least this way the company will know that there are consumers out there who feel like this.0 -
quote:Originally posted by slipgate
Good letter, doubt it will do much good to a gun grabber.
You did kind of contradict yourself in one part.
quote:
Second, I will no longer be shopping there due to the fact that you do not want me to exercise my 2nd amendment rights and legally carry my gun as the state government has said that I have a right to do after receiving all the proper training.
I carry a gun for the protection of myself, my family, and those around me. This could include your customers and employees if something was to happen while I was in your store.
Also by not allowing your customers to keep a means of protecting themselves you are legally liable for the safety of your customers.
If this policy is to continue I will no longer be shopping at your store and will also be notifying many friends of mine throughout the community who are also permit holders of your policies asking them to not shop at your stores.
You are right. Since you pointed it out I see the contridiction. But I think my point still got across.0 -
i cant take sides. i like your letter and think it should be sent.i agree with scrumpyjack to a point. i take my piece EVERY WHERE except the court house (metal dector) 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jwb267
i cant take sides. i like your letter and think it should be sent.i agree with scrumpyjack to a point. i take my piece EVERY WHERE except the court house (metal dector)
Well not in SC you won't carry everywhere ... Try to carry in a school and see what happens.. and I guess Federal Post offices are ok with you too huh?0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by jwb267
i cant take sides. i like your letter and think it should be sent.i agree with scrumpyjack to a point. i take my piece EVERY WHERE except the court house (metal dector)
Well not in SC you won't carry everywhere ... Try to carry in a school and see what happens.. and I guess Federal Post offices are ok with you too huh?
yep, it's concealed0 -
Well you are just a little lawbreaker then... 0 -
Originally posted by select-fire
Well you are just a little lawbreaker then...
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that is the thing about being concealed you never know who is or who aint. i could be talking to you and you would never know i was packing unless i told you. if the school has no metal dector , and i have a reason to go there i wilL. remember this : IT IS BETTER TO BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN TO BE CARRIED BY 6 [:D]0 -
I was at the court house in Seattle last week and they will check a handgun in at the front door no problem. Not even a hasle and they were very nice about it. 0 -
I understand the principle, and agree with it. If challenged by the store manager or employee I would have left the store and informed the manager and corporate of the non-conforming signage.
I would not have ran directly to the manager screaming "I have a gun and a permit and I'm going to carry my weapon in here because your sign is not properly place by SC law".
Just my .020 -
quote:Originally posted by scrumpyjack
I understand the principle, and agree with it. If challenged by the store manager or employee I would have left the store and informed the manager and corporate of the non-conforming signage.
I would not have ran directly to the manager screaming "I have a gun and a permit and I'm going to carry my weapon in here because your sign is not properly place by SC law".
Just my .02
I in no way did that.
I never said to the manager that I was carrying a gun on me at the time. I only showed my permit and explained my view point on the matter and explained a bit of SC law to him.
I only showed the permit as to at least let him know that I had a little knowladge on the matter.
But as far as he may have known I had my gun in the car or something.0 -
The reply
Kevin,
Thank you for bringing this to our attention, the sign in questiuon will be replaced immedately with one that will meet any and all local, state and federal reguirements. Due to liability issues we will not change policy regaurding this matter. Futher more if you feel you should no longer do business with our company then you should cease immedately.
Sincerely,
The Man0 -
Gary: from what I understand of the law you cannot even take a gun on Post office property.. A shooting buddy of mine works at the local post office and he told me if they wanted to be meanies and knew I had a gun in the car they could persue it..
I only carry two days a week, Is this on of those two days. wanna try your luck??0
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