A tale of two Presidential Houses...
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Subject: A tale of two houses
You can check this out on Snopes.com under "The Story of Two Houses"
House #1 A 20 room mansion ( not including 8 bathrooms ) heated by
natural gas. Add on a pool ( and a pool house) and a separate guest
house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more
energy than the average American household does in a year. The
average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400. In
natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the
national average for an American home. This house is not situated
in a Northern or Midwester n "snow belt" area. It's in the South.
House #2 Designed by an architecture professor at a
leading national university. This house incorporates every
"green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is
4,000 square feet ( 4 bedrooms ) and is nestled on a high prairie in the
American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal
heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the
ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F. ) heats the house in the winter
and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or
natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a
conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected
and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from
showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then
into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land
surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area
enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.
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HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of
the "environmentalist" Al Gore.
HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford,
Texas; it is the residence the of the President of the United States,
George W. Bush.
An "inconvenient truth".
Subject: A tale of two houses
You can check this out on Snopes.com under "The Story of Two Houses"
House #1 A 20 room mansion ( not including 8 bathrooms ) heated by
natural gas. Add on a pool ( and a pool house) and a separate guest
house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more
energy than the average American household does in a year. The
average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400. In
natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the
national average for an American home. This house is not situated
in a Northern or Midwester n "snow belt" area. It's in the South.
House #2 Designed by an architecture professor at a
leading national university. This house incorporates every
"green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is
4,000 square feet ( 4 bedrooms ) and is nestled on a high prairie in the
American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal
heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the
ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F. ) heats the house in the winter
and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or
natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a
conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected
and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from
showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then
into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land
surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area
enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.
~~~~~
HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of
the "environmentalist" Al Gore.
HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford,
Texas; it is the residence the of the President of the United States,
George W. Bush.
An "inconvenient truth".
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good point acc...couldnt agree more...why does gore spout about global warming so much? he gets paid BIG bucks to do it, thats why...he is a hypoctite... 0 -
Where is the water table over at Gore's home? This type of heating/cooling only works of you have a viable source of ground water. Clearly GW does...What about Al? 0 -
this is old but still very true.
I sit next to a architect that grow up near Gore's place he says not only is it a environmental abomination its and architectural one as well.0 -
Lets not talk about presidential houses again, ok? [:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
Where is the water table over at Gore's home? This type of heating/cooling only works of you have a viable source of ground water. Clearly GW does...What about Al?
This is not true...it has NOTHING to do with the water table. You can install the lines horizontally, as well as vertically, and they work by using the ground temps to cool/heat a closed circuit system of water lines. I've worked with these systems in building. My cousin just put one in on a new house he built. The info you posted is incorrect.0 -
A central closet in the house holds geothermal
heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the
ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F. ) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer.
So you need no water at all[?]0 -
That water cooled house must cost some huge bucks to build. [:0] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
A central closet in the house holds geothermal
heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the
ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F. ) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer.
So you need no water at all[?]
No, not if it is not leaking.Just like your A/C.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
Where is the water table over at Gore's home? This type of heating/cooling only works of you have a viable source of ground water. Clearly GW does...What about Al?
Ground water? Better go back to school K.
http://www.toolbase.org/Technology-Inventory/HVAC/geothermal-heat-pumps.....
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quote:Originally posted by kristov
A central closet in the house holds geothermal
heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the
ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F. ) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer.
So you need no water at all[?]
No...it does not need any water outside the closed system. I'm a builder Kristov...and this is something I know. Ground temps are used to heat/cool a closed system.0 -
I know that I went to USC but I did learn to read:
Geothermal Heat Pumps
Use the natural heat storage capacity of the earth or ground water to provide energy efficient heating and cooling0 -
So now I am confused; does GW's house use water for heating and cooling or not? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
That water cooled house must cost some huge bucks to build. [:0]
It's pays back in about 12-15yrs. after that your saving a TON of $$$$0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
So now I am confused; does GW's house use ground for heating and cooling or not?
Both, the difference is he is burning less fossil fuels to heat and cool his house (ie coal fired power plants to run the cooler)0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
I know that I went to USC but I did learn to read:
Geothermal Heat Pumps
Use the natural heat storage capacity of the earth or ground water to provide energy efficient heating and cooling
This is an incorrect statement Kristov...period. As I've stated, I'm a custom builder and I've seen/worked with these systems first hand.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
I know that I went to USC but I did learn to read:
Geothermal Heat Pumps
Use the natural heat storage capacity of the earth or ground water to provide energy efficient heating and cooling
Ya notice the OR comes before ground water, you can install a closed loop system almost anywhere.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
So now I am confused; does GW's house use water for heating and cooling or not?
It's a closed system Kristov...once the lines are filled with water, they don't take another drop...and it does not take much to fill them either.
BTW...it takes roughly 20 years to pay for the system...and that is if you paid cash for it and did not finance it in with your mortgage.0 -
Is there an energy tax break for these kinds of systems? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
I know that I went to USC but I did learn to read:
Geothermal Heat Pumps
Use the natural heat storage capacity of the earth or ground water to provide energy efficient heating and cooling
all the ground water does is pull the heat away from the house in the summer
in the winter the water table is lower so the heat stays in the ground where the
heat pump can pull it out of the ground and into the house0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
Is there an energy tax break for these kinds of systems?
HUGE!!!
similar to the tax breaks that you can get for putting metal roof materials on your house.
solar collectors and solar hot water preheats.0 -
OK,OK,OK. I'm gonna attempt to take it to RETARD level.
At a depth of say 25 feet.Weather above or below the water-table, the temp. is 70 degrees F.(Just a for instance)ALL YEAR LONG.
When it's 100F outside, the coil of pipe, flowing water through that strata, acts as a "heat exchanger".
Since humans have not yet found a way to "produce" "COLD",The best we can do is "absorb"HEAT.The pipes under the ground do a great job of absorbing the heat from the houses interior airspace.
The same is true, in reverse, we can absorb heat from the ground, and deposit it into the home airspace.
WHEW... Is that PLAIN enough?0 -
quote:Originally posted by ECC
quote:Originally posted by kristov
So now I am confused; does GW's house use water for heating and cooling or not?
It's a closed system Kristov...once the lines are filled with water, they don't take another drop...and it does not take much to fill them either.
BTW...it takes roughly 20 years to pay for the system...and that is if you paid cash for it and did not finance it in with your mortgage.
ECC I have a guy in GJ CO telling our firm that it will take 12-15yrs to re-coop the cost.
given that will change with the types of soils and the climate of the given area.
EDITED shoooweee i've had one to many jack and cokes[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Odawgp
quote:Originally posted by ECC
quote:Originally posted by kristov
So now I am confused; does GW's house use water for heating and cooling or not?
It's a closed system Kristov...once the lines are filled with water, they don't take another drop...and it does not take much to fill them either.
BTW...it takes roughly 20 years to pay for the system...and that is if you paid cash for it and did not finance it in with your mortgage.
ECC I have a guy in GJ CO telling our firm that it will take 12-15yrs to re-coop the cost.
given that will change with the types of soils and the climate of the given area.
EDITED shoooweee i've had one to many jack and cokes[:D]
That may not be too far off...depending on climate, etc. If you have to finance the system, it will take much longer. A typical Residential system runs in the neighborhood of $20,000 (for a normal sized home) versus about $10,000 for a heat pump system.0
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