Attention fat people !! Lap band or not ?
Has anybody considered gastro bypass surgery or lap band ? What are the pros and cons ?
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Will insurance cover the procedure? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by HandgunHTR52
quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
quote:There's a medical classification called "morbidly obese". Don't know the scale of body fat by percentage. My point is, surgeons will usually refuse doing the procedure unless patient classifies as M/O.
Most doctors use Body Mass Index, or BMI. If your BMI is over 40, you are a candidate for either surgery. If your BMI is over 35, and you have a life threatening disease (diabetes, etc), you may be a candidate. As several had said, it is not a be-all cure-all surgery. It addresses one of the symptoms. You STILL have to exercise, you HAVE to learn to eat the right foods. You HAVE to continue working at it. But the surgery has been a God-send for lots of people, and given them an avenue towards weight loss that wasn't there before. Just think really hard, and find a good doctor and gets LOTS of feed back on that doctor before you have the surgery. A lawyer here in town lost his wife several years ago after a gastric bypass. She never got out of the hospital. Infenction started and she died. Last year, he had it, and is doing fine, lost over 150 pounds. So it does work MOST of the time.
Here is a BMI calculator from one of our local hospitals.
http://www.lourdesweightloss.com/index.html#bmi-top
I have a real issue with the BMI. According to it I am labeled as "Obese". I am 6'1" tall and weigh 275. While I will admit I could stand to lose about 40 lbs, even if I did I would still be considered "obese". According to BMI I would have to weigh about 187 lbs to be at the top of the "Normal" weight range. I haven't weighed 187 lbs since I was a sophomore in high school and I was an extremely active child.
If you do some searching, you can find current pictures of me in other threads. I do not consider myself obese. People are always amazed when they find out how much I weigh.
For Frank and NMG, keep plugging. You have all the support I can give from here.
Hey thanks alot HandgunHTR52,
When I was a freshman in high school I wrestled 158, 170, and 188 lb class and I only weighed a wopping 150 and I tried everything to get down to wrestle at a lower class because I was getting killed wrestling guys 2 weight classes above mine. I also played football and being bigger than most folks somtimes had some advantages but it never really hindered me up untill now.
Im not quite as tall as you , Im just under 6 feet and according to that body mass index I should be less than 200 lbs. too. Personally I know I'll never see 200 again but 250 I can live with (literally) Thanks again for the incouraging words. Frank0 -
If I may point out a few things that I know about obesity. My lady friend is a nutritionist and fitness expert who lives the healthy life. She works with obese/over weight women.
People who are obese generally suffer from food addiction. It's not just a physical condition, it is very much emotional and psychological as well. People who live with obesity already know this. Surgery does not "cure" this condition any more than cutting open an alcoholic would cure him. What is needed in these cases is a full recovery program. Most often it is easier with outside help, and help is available. Including a great deal of information and education on the net.
We were made to require certain types of nutrition in order to be healthy. The all meat, fat, and cholesterol diet does not work in the long run. In fact it is deadly. High fructose corn syrup (a drug) and saturated fat is not what we were designed to eat. Mr Atkins was obese at the time of his death. His diet did not even work for him. It tricks the body to lose some weight, but does not keep it off in the long term. And even causes a variety of other serious health problems.
The answer to healthy weight lose is this; Eat the way we were designed to eat. [:)] 70% fresh vegetables and fruit. These carbs our bodies burn quite readily and easily. 15% whole grains, and finally 15% lean meat protein. Cut out the salt, cut out the process sugars, and reduce the starches. Red meat no more than 2 times per week. Our bodies cannot digest any more than that. Cutting down on the red meat in conjunction with the veg fiber will start to clean out the guts and detoxify the body resulting in increased weight loss and having far more energy and feeling better overall. Portion control and caloric intake control. Try an intake of 1800 to 2000 calories per day to start. Plenty enough water and enough sleep is also essential.
Exercise. Obviously a heavy person has to start slowly at this. Do what you can even if it has to be done sitting down. Start burning calories. Try low, very low, impact in the am and again at night. Even if it's only for a few minutes at a time, do what you can. We are also made to require exercise. Which is very beneficial to healthy brain chemistry. In fact exercise naturally gets you kinda high.
Patients, persistence, and realistic goals are of course needed. And in this case, failure really isn't an option. Lastly and the most important ingredient of all is Faith. Then self respect and self value and love. Many have succeeded and with determination anyone who truly tries can become healthy and succeed too.0 -
quote:The answer to healthy weight lose is this; Eat the way we were designed to eat. 70% fresh vegetables and fruit. These carbs our bodies burn quite readily and easily. 15% whole grains, and finally 15% lean meat protein. Cut out the salt, cut out the process sugars, and reduce the starches.Red meat no more than 2 times per week. Our bodies cannot digest any more than that. Cutting down on the red meat in conjunction with the veg fiber will start to clean out the guts and detoxify the body resulting in increased weight loss and having far more energy and feeling better overall. Portion control and caloric intake control. Try an intake of 1800 to 2000 calories per day to start. Plenty enough water and enough sleep is also essential.
How could someone live like that? I would rather lose a leg than miss out on all those steaks and burgers.(Of course all mine is home grown. I will NOT buy any beef from the store again) The key is and always has been exercise AND moderation.0 -
Well this will really shock you Andy. I don't eat any red meat at all (hardly). [:0] I love it, I just can't eat it. Actually I do have maybe 5 or 6 ounces a year. 0 -
Frank,
If there's any way possible for you to have the surgery, do it. I would do it tomorrow if I could. It is a lot psychologically. All of the people I know that had the surgery said that they don't even have the cravings anymore. Just make sure you are ready for it mentally.
I was 375 lbs when I went into the hospital on November 17. They started pulling fluids off of me and I lost 34 lbs in two weeks laying in the bed.
I have tried everything. Atkins did get me down to 300 lbs but I never could get under 300. I'm 6'1" but I still get tired of people saying "But you carry it well". I want to be 250 or less. I was 220 when I graduated high school. I don't think 250 is unreasonable.
As for you people that say "just stop". You will never understand. It's an addiction and I can't "just stop".0 -
Sav99
You have more willpower than I will ever have. If I weighed 500 lbs I don't think I could go without my steaks.
I do eat a decent amount of veggies and fish but it doesn't fill me up. I always seem to be going for seconds and thirds. I forgot to say in my last post how age and lifestyle affects you also. This is just my oponion but sugery seem to be a quick fix to a problem that is caused over a lifetime. If it took someone 20 years to gain the weight does it seem reasonable to lose it all in a year? I am in no position to judge someone else but positive results from a quick fix seem to be few and far between.
You have one life do what it takes to be happy.
To put everything in perspective with me I am 23 years old, 6'4" 190lbs, never had a weight problem, have a moderatly physcally demanding full time job, and on my days off I have 200 acres and 50+ head of cattle to keep me busy. (and a slight gun collecting problem[:D])0 -
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Highly recommend this surgeon if you live in Pennsylvania.
http://www.barixclinics.com/surgeons/boe.jsp
It changed her life.
The "addicted to food" and "psychological" thing was pure BS. She ate far less than me. Even if she has nutrient absorbsion problems later in life, her life span and quality of life will be prolonged.
She also quit taking blood pressure medicine for the surgery and never took it again after the surgery.0
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