need help identifying a rifle, please - UPDATE
My father-in-law has a lever-action rifle in his gun cabinet, and I don't know what kind it is. Yes, I know I could ask him, but I'd rather try and find out for myself and then fail miserably to impress him with my knowledge![:D][;)]
Anyway, like I said, it's a lever-action, and the lever and metal around it are brass (or gold-looking), and marked on that metal it has two numbers, which I assume are years: 1847 and then 1870. The barrel is very long, probably 24 inches, at least.
Any guesses?[?]
Anyway, like I said, it's a lever-action, and the lever and metal around it are brass (or gold-looking), and marked on that metal it has two numbers, which I assume are years: 1847 and then 1870. The barrel is very long, probably 24 inches, at least.
Any guesses?[?]
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The lever is brass also [?] 0 -
Winchester ? Marlin ? 0 -
If you don't know much about guns, the best thing you can do to impress your father in law is to ask about his guns...
"Is that a Henry?"
Because sure as I'm sitting here, the first time you said, "Ahh. The Henry. Great rifle.", it'd be something else.
Don't try to be something you're not, young Jedi. Ask and learn.
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By the way, if it has a brass receiver, chances are good it's a Henry.0 -
ignorance revealed wisdom is not, young jedi.....answers first you must find, before asked questions are.....how's that for yoda speak????....well, plink started it......... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
ignorance revealed wisdom is not, young jedi.....answers first you must find, before asked questions are.....how's that for yoda speak????....well, plink started it.........
Yup.
Guilty I am.
Although I have to say... I've never seen a Henry with a brass lever.
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Could be either a Henry or, more likely, an 1866 Winchester (the Henry with a loading gate and wooden forend). Neither had a brass lever, but both had brass frames, except for a very few iron-framed Henries. Off the top of my head (which is a narrow and pointy place, meaning the info that will fit there is meager at best), I don't recall another lever gun with a brass frame.
You might do a 'net search on the Henry and '66 Winchester, and see if anything looks familiar. Bear in mind that the '66 was made with a number of different features and that what's pictured on a given site might not be even close to all the variants that are out there.0 -
You will be far better off if you just ask him.
Chances are you are not going to dazzle him with brilliance of baffle him with BS.
My former SIL was an idiot and proved it every time he opened his mouth.
It is unwise to try to be something you are not, like an expert on firearms.
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I wasn't really trying to impress him. Perhaps you missed my poor attempt at humor. I just forgot to ask him when we were there. We're at their house at least once a week, as they live around the corner of our neighborhood.
Anyway, I'll ask next time we're there and try and solve the mystery.
In the meantime, I guess Google will be my friend...0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
By the way, if it has a brass receiver, chances are good it's a Henry.
Or a Winchester Model 1866 (which is much more common than a Henry), but neither have a brass (bronze) lever.
FWIW, neither the Henry or Winchester Modle 1866 have a "brass" frame. The frames were actually made of "gun metal" which is more commonly referred to today as Bronze.0 -
OK, UPDATE:
Took a closer look and made some interesting discoveries. I think the metal is gold, not brass. Or at least it looks like gold. The side says "1845" and "1970" with a star in between them. Then on the base of the stock (sorry, don't know the terminology....foot?) it says "Winchester Repeating Arms" with "Texas" in the middle of that (all in a long oval).
And then on the right side of the stock near the butt, there's a circular metal (gold again?) inlay with five men's faces on it, and it says "Lone Star Commemorative" on it.
So now that I know the manufacturer, I'll check for pics of the real thing. I took some terrible shots with my phone camera, so if nothing else, I'll post those.0 -
It is a modern made Winchester Model 94 Commemorative made in 1970, and it is gold-plated. A total of 38,385 were made. 0 -
This is what I found on a Google search:
1970 LONE STAR 30-30 cal. 55259 mfg. (rifles & carbines)
Engraved bright gold receiver, pistol grip stock, half-round / half-octagon barrel, medallion in stock
RIFLE - 26" barrel, w/ half magazine $645 *
CARBINE - 20" barrel $645 *
Consecutively Serial Numbered Matched Pair - Rifle & Carbine $1400 *
http://www.doublegun.com/roth.htm0 -
And this:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_3030_winchester_model_94_worth_It_has_the_hex_barrel_gold_plate_and_saddle_ring_It_is_the_lone_star_commemorative
What is a 3030 winchester model 94 worth It has the hex barrel gold plate and saddle ring It is the lone star commemorative?
Answer
There was a Lone Star Rifle and a Carbine which have similar values. In NIB (New In Box) condition with all paper, the value is $425 and 450. The first time the gun is shot, the value goes to the value of a common model 94, around $300. There were 38,385 carbines built costing $140 new.0 -
Ah, finally found one that was for sale on our site here:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=90413604
I had hopes it would be worth more, but it looks like they can fetch a fair penny if they've never been fired. I'll have to ask my FIL if he's ever shot it. Most likely not. Sweet, hope I get to inherit it! [:D][;)]0 -
So, I talked to my FIL, and his dad, tonight about this rifle. Apparently my grandfather-in-law bought it and two other commemorative ones (the similar carbine and another????) at the same time from the Navy in Alaska. He got all three for about $150, as the Navy was selling them as surplus, and he gave one to each of his sons.
He says he still has the original boxes and they've never been fired. Can't wait to inherit this one! Well, I mean, I guess I can.[:p]0 -
Uh, yeah, Navy surplus, that's what I was gonna say.
Seriously, who are the five dudes?0 -
Best view from the pics...(L-R) Travis, Crockett, Unk, Unk, Bowie 0 -
hope dear ole dad-in-law doesnt belong to this forum. he might see how accurate it is when he blows your head off 0 -
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
hope dear ole dad-in-law doesnt belong to this forum. he might see how accurate it is when he blows your head off
Why would you say that? We have a great relationship, and he knows I look forward to inheriting firearms from him.0 -
Nice to know that I was NOWHERE NEAR THE RIGHT ANSWER on this one[:D]
Seriously, there's no way to impress your father in law with your knowlege of that particular gun, so I suggest the following;
You: "Wow, what a rifle...I wish I had TWO of 'em!"
Him: "Two? Why do you want two?"
You: "One to crap on and the other to cover it up with, 'cuz, damn, man. That's one ape-ugly boat anchor"
He'll be impressed at your taste in rifles. Take my word for it.0 -
The five dudes are:
Stephen F. Austin
Sam Houston
David Crocket
William B. Travis
James Bowie
Trinity +++0 -
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Nice to know that I was NOWHERE NEAR THE RIGHT ANSWER on this one[:D]
Seriously, there's no way to impress your father in law with your knowlege of that particular gun, so I suggest the following;
You: "Wow, what a rifle...I wish I had TWO of 'em!"
Him: "Two? Why do you want two?"
You: "One to crap on and the other to cover it up with, 'cuz, damn, man. That's one ape-ugly boat anchor"
He'll be impressed at your taste in rifles. Take my word for it.
[:D]Good one! I'm not a fan of the looks of Winchesters either. I prefer Henrys and Marlins when it comes to lever action looks. However, at least this has the pistol-style grip, rather than the regular look of Winchesters.0 -
Unfortunately new commemorative firearms are not a great investment. Even when they are left mint, unfired in the box they rarely sell for much more than a regular model in equal condition.
There are a few exceptions to the rule, but not many.0 -
Very true. Being a graduate from the Air Force Academy, I wanted to get this:
http://www.americaremembers.com/products/USAFA50TP/USAFA50TP.asp
But I can't think of ANY 1911 that's worth 2 grand, let alone one from 4 years of hell!0
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