Jesus myth claims refuted
This posted article will refute some of the claims made about the Bible, Jesus and Christianity, for those that would be deceived and led astray. God Bless.
There is a false religious system in Rome(1) that in the past has been responsible for many wars, revolutions, Inquisitions, crusades, as well as banning the Most Holy Bible, creating the Illuminati(2) and most secret societies(3) that have plagued the world today with atheistic communism. As well this beast system in Rome is responsible for the pagan ideation of atheism(4) thru their United Nations / UNESCO(5), Rockefeller funded Findhorn Foundation(6) and Lucis Trust Theosophy Society(7).
The allegations made in the media and in print of Jesus being a myth have been thoroughly discredited. Contrary to what you've been told, these are not new or suppressed ideas, but are based on ideas from outdated scholarship that became popular among skeptics in the latter part of the 19th century.
While these theories have been long discredited by scholars (believers and non-believers alike) they have made a reappearance on the internet by people with an ax to grind along the likes of Achayra S & a few others who try and pass themselves off as experts.
Most of their so called proof is based on half truth, distorted truth and in some cases outright lies. Fortunately, there is extensive apologetics also available on the web that debunks these falsehoods using well researched, footnoted and sourced references that anyone can verify for themselves.
Chrisitanity is the most well documented movement in history. Orthodox Christianity has remained unchanged since the risen Christ appeared to his dicisples. What has come to be known as the bible, the cannonized books were approved writings dating back to the first centruty. Constatine did not have any influence over doctrine or theology. By the time of the council of Nicea, sound Christian doctrine had already been established for more than 300 years. The council of Nicea (like all other councils) was called in response to heresy which was a problem Paul frequently addressed in his letters that make up a large portion of the NT.
Below are just few of the articles that debunk some of the people who run web sites promoting these theories:
Errors of The Jesus Myth(8)
Earl Doherty, the Jesus Myth, and Second Century Christian Writings(9)
Earl Doherty. The Jesus Puzzle. A Critique(10)
Shattering the Christ-Myth: Secular References to Jesus(11)
Refuting the Myth That Jesus Never Existed(12)
Alleged parallels between Christianity and pagan religions(13)
Christianity Wasn't Influenced by Pagan Religions!(14)
Mithraism_ Not an influence on Christianity(15)
Confronting the Copycat Thesis(16)
Pagan Parallels: Answers to the Copy-Cat Savior Theory(17)
Jesus a copycat myth?(18)
THE HISTORICAL JESUS(19)
The Historicity of Jesus: Overviews and Defenses(20)
Non-Christian References to Jesus(21)
The Greek Ecclesiastical Historians
From Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius, pg. 64
COPY OF THE LETTER WRITTEN BY KING AGBARUS, TO JESUS
THE ANSWER OF JESUS, TO KING AGBARUS
google books
Pilate's lengthy letter to Tiberius Caesar
Discusses at length the arrest,
the trial and the crucifixion of Jesus Christ(22)
Even though the Romans destroyed the records, burned the libraries, there are still some first and second century historians(23) having access to these records that do make mention of the biblical Jesus and a group of Jew converts to Christianity.
A Refutation of Archary S's Book "The Christ Conspiracy": Pt 1(24), Pt 2(25)
Video refuting parallel myth claims
90min.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=7572663630528394775
Ultimately Jesus, being God, goes with the Word, saying don't use the bible is not a good debate practice. The bible written in the inspired manner cover to cover proves Jesus was God. There were many prophecies fulfilled in the events of the first coming of Jesus. The 70 weeks of Daniel(26), written hundreds of years before Jesus is a very powerful example to those who have studied it.
70 WEEKS of DANIEL
www.remnantofgod.org/70weeks.htm
The 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy:
End Time Delusions "Tribulation Delusions"
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=8991623609891975848
The Jesuits would have us believe there is a seven year tribulation period(27). This seven years taken from the last of the seventy weeks, removed with a 2000 year gap placed in the endtimes. The seventy weeks were fulfilled in Jesus.
How Did the Name Jesus Originate?
www.plim.org/JesusOrigin.htm
Yahshua--Hebrew
Iesous---Greek
Iesous---Latin
Jesus----English
There are no contradictions in the Bible. Catholics have been raised from day one to trust their priest over the Bible, often drummed in with fear. They need a new religion not a new Bible. The RCC did not invent Christianity / Bible(28).
101 Cleared-UP Contradictions in the Bible
http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm
BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS ANSWERED
www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm
There are however Lies in the Textbooks
Dr. Kent Hovind
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3952708707703336369
www.drdino.com/downloads.php
www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp
references:
1. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/monstr.htm
2. www.lightministries.com/id95.htm
3. http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Vatican_&_Jesuits
4. www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20481306-12332,00.html
5. www.freemasonrywatch.org/lucistrust.html
6. www.seekgod.ca/education.htm
7. www.lucistrust.org
8. www.christiancadre.org/Answers.html#myth
9. http://members.optusnet.com.au/gakuseidon/Doherty2ndC_Review.htm
10. http://tektonics.org/doherty/dohertyhub.html
11. www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html
12. www.bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm
13. www.bede.org.uk/frazer.htm
14. www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-pagan-christianity.htm
15. www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html
16. www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html
17. www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html#pagan
18. http://kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html
19. www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html
20. www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html#miracles
21. www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html#non
22. www.kingdomoflight.org/i_have_in_my_possession_a_copy_o.htm
23. www.forerunner.com/blog/2006/12/real-jesus-myth-1-3-of-10.html
24. www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-skeptics/answering-acharya-s/a-refutation-of-archary-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy-pt-1.html
25. www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-skeptics/answering-acharya-s/a-refutation-of-acharya-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy-pt-2.html
26. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/diagram.gif
27. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm
28. www.febc.edu.sg/assets/images/nt.jpg (note the KJV and the Catholic's Latin Vulgate come from completely different manuscript streams)
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There is a false religious system in Rome(1) that in the past has been responsible for many wars, revolutions, Inquisitions, crusades, as well as banning the Most Holy Bible, creating the Illuminati(2) and most secret societies(3) that have plagued the world today with atheistic communism. As well this beast system in Rome is responsible for the pagan ideation of atheism(4) thru their United Nations / UNESCO(5), Rockefeller funded Findhorn Foundation(6) and Lucis Trust Theosophy Society(7).
The allegations made in the media and in print of Jesus being a myth have been thoroughly discredited. Contrary to what you've been told, these are not new or suppressed ideas, but are based on ideas from outdated scholarship that became popular among skeptics in the latter part of the 19th century.
While these theories have been long discredited by scholars (believers and non-believers alike) they have made a reappearance on the internet by people with an ax to grind along the likes of Achayra S & a few others who try and pass themselves off as experts.
Most of their so called proof is based on half truth, distorted truth and in some cases outright lies. Fortunately, there is extensive apologetics also available on the web that debunks these falsehoods using well researched, footnoted and sourced references that anyone can verify for themselves.
Chrisitanity is the most well documented movement in history. Orthodox Christianity has remained unchanged since the risen Christ appeared to his dicisples. What has come to be known as the bible, the cannonized books were approved writings dating back to the first centruty. Constatine did not have any influence over doctrine or theology. By the time of the council of Nicea, sound Christian doctrine had already been established for more than 300 years. The council of Nicea (like all other councils) was called in response to heresy which was a problem Paul frequently addressed in his letters that make up a large portion of the NT.
Below are just few of the articles that debunk some of the people who run web sites promoting these theories:
Errors of The Jesus Myth(8)
Earl Doherty, the Jesus Myth, and Second Century Christian Writings(9)
Earl Doherty. The Jesus Puzzle. A Critique(10)
Shattering the Christ-Myth: Secular References to Jesus(11)
Refuting the Myth That Jesus Never Existed(12)
Alleged parallels between Christianity and pagan religions(13)
Christianity Wasn't Influenced by Pagan Religions!(14)
Mithraism_ Not an influence on Christianity(15)
Confronting the Copycat Thesis(16)
Pagan Parallels: Answers to the Copy-Cat Savior Theory(17)
Jesus a copycat myth?(18)
THE HISTORICAL JESUS(19)
The Historicity of Jesus: Overviews and Defenses(20)
Non-Christian References to Jesus(21)
The Greek Ecclesiastical Historians
From Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius, pg. 64
COPY OF THE LETTER WRITTEN BY KING AGBARUS, TO JESUS
THE ANSWER OF JESUS, TO KING AGBARUS
google books
Pilate's lengthy letter to Tiberius Caesar
Discusses at length the arrest,
the trial and the crucifixion of Jesus Christ(22)
Even though the Romans destroyed the records, burned the libraries, there are still some first and second century historians(23) having access to these records that do make mention of the biblical Jesus and a group of Jew converts to Christianity.
A Refutation of Archary S's Book "The Christ Conspiracy": Pt 1(24), Pt 2(25)
Video refuting parallel myth claims
90min.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=7572663630528394775
Ultimately Jesus, being God, goes with the Word, saying don't use the bible is not a good debate practice. The bible written in the inspired manner cover to cover proves Jesus was God. There were many prophecies fulfilled in the events of the first coming of Jesus. The 70 weeks of Daniel(26), written hundreds of years before Jesus is a very powerful example to those who have studied it.
70 WEEKS of DANIEL
www.remnantofgod.org/70weeks.htm
The 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy:
End Time Delusions "Tribulation Delusions"
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=8991623609891975848
The Jesuits would have us believe there is a seven year tribulation period(27). This seven years taken from the last of the seventy weeks, removed with a 2000 year gap placed in the endtimes. The seventy weeks were fulfilled in Jesus.
How Did the Name Jesus Originate?
www.plim.org/JesusOrigin.htm
Yahshua--Hebrew
Iesous---Greek
Iesous---Latin
Jesus----English
There are no contradictions in the Bible. Catholics have been raised from day one to trust their priest over the Bible, often drummed in with fear. They need a new religion not a new Bible. The RCC did not invent Christianity / Bible(28).
101 Cleared-UP Contradictions in the Bible
http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm
BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS ANSWERED
www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm
There are however Lies in the Textbooks
Dr. Kent Hovind
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3952708707703336369
www.drdino.com/downloads.php
www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp
references:
1. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/monstr.htm
2. www.lightministries.com/id95.htm
3. http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Vatican_&_Jesuits
4. www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20481306-12332,00.html
5. www.freemasonrywatch.org/lucistrust.html
6. www.seekgod.ca/education.htm
7. www.lucistrust.org
8. www.christiancadre.org/Answers.html#myth
9. http://members.optusnet.com.au/gakuseidon/Doherty2ndC_Review.htm
10. http://tektonics.org/doherty/dohertyhub.html
11. www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html
12. www.bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm
13. www.bede.org.uk/frazer.htm
14. www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-pagan-christianity.htm
15. www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html
16. www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html
17. www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html#pagan
18. http://kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html
19. www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html
20. www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html#miracles
21. www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html#non
22. www.kingdomoflight.org/i_have_in_my_possession_a_copy_o.htm
23. www.forerunner.com/blog/2006/12/real-jesus-myth-1-3-of-10.html
24. www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-skeptics/answering-acharya-s/a-refutation-of-archary-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy-pt-1.html
25. www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-skeptics/answering-acharya-s/a-refutation-of-acharya-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy-pt-2.html
26. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/diagram.gif
27. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm
28. www.febc.edu.sg/assets/images/nt.jpg (note the KJV and the Catholic's Latin Vulgate come from completely different manuscript streams)
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so where is the discussion? whats your point? trust me rj, you dont have to defend God. he does a good job all by himself.[;)] 0 -
*POOF* 0 -
Here we go again. 0 -
As much as I try to live every waking moment of my life for Christ, and as much as the subject matter intrigues me, I can't help but think that this might get poofed as a religious post. Then again, if we can talk about muscle cars and football... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by River Rat
As much as I try to live every waking moment of my life for Christ, and as much as the subject matter intrigues me, I can't help but think that this might get poofed as a religious post. Then again, if we can talk about muscle cars and football...
poofing something just because it's Christian is like imposing atheism. I was concerned about all the links tho. They are not offensive links.
There has been a tonne internet chat about this, even films made claiming Jesus is a myth and where it ends up is they claim the Catholic Church invented the whole thing. Much of this "Jesus myth" perspective comes from our universities and the mass-media.0 -
The Bible or lack of has been used to control and enslave(1). Claims that the Bible has been altered and that correcting those claiming such is a "waste of time" is a very uneducated position. The printing and translation of the Bible into english began the end of over 1200 years of the 'Holy' Roman Empire(Dark Ages). We have a perfect copy today, every word(2).
Having the Holy Bible we can confirm our Most Holy Father Creator GOD, changing the spiritual / political climate of society, the people will reject pagan Rome(3), and with that it's government (fascist dictatorship under the pope-caesar).
There are several false versions of the Bible, created to promote the false doctrines out of Rome that has led us to rejoin with the 'Church' in Rome producing this mess we have today, that is only going to get worse, into the belly of the Beast (revived Holy Roman Empire). One of these false doctrines is zionism / christian-zionism creating Israel for the diversion temple plan(4).
Atheist have been created by Rome(5) 1)to eliminate biblical opposition to Rome, and 2)to accept the new government they will present, as in the French Revolution(6), Communist Russia, Red China, Nazi Germany(7), a deceptive trap of death.
This 'Church' in Rome has an exoteric of christian and an esoteric of sun worship paganism in many forms. They will destroy Christianity and setup something else (anything) as long as they rule. This refers to the system out of the Vatican and it's many Orders not the Catholic individual church goers, who know not.
The evolution(8) debate scientifically supports the Bible(9,10) that the globalist Vatican Jesuits(11) with their marxist counter-reformation education(12) work to deceive believers away from. All to bring us into a new world order under the Pope. Not possible if the people protest with the Most Holy Bible(13).
1. http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/priestcraft
2. www.febc.edu.sg/assets/images/nt.jpg (note:the KJV and the Catholic's Latin Vulgate have different origins)
3. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/monstr.htm
4. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm
5. www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20481306-12332,00.html
6. www.lightministries.com/id95.htm
7. http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2007/08/wlodimir-vladimir-ledochowski-humanitys.html
8. www.resurrectisis.org/PaganEvolution.htm
9. www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp
10. www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles_chron.htm
11. http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Vatican_&_Jesuits
12. www.crossroad.to/articles2/brainwashing.html
13. http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=34023256898502407290 -
Don't know where you've been Jim, but there has been so much argueing and fight about this subject that we have been requested to refrain from posting about it...And for good reason. 0 -
What this site needs is a good filter option. 0 -
R.Jim: givette here. We've defeated ourselves. Religious posts almost always of late have lowered until it becomes degenrative drivel. No one wants to give in, and the resultant arguements have been deemed unsuitable. Again, only we are to blame.
That's why we've been told to refrain. Best, Joe0 -
Whom do you wish to convince?
An all-powerful God doesn't need defending and nonbelievers will not be swayed.
What's the point of this exercise? I'm with nunn on this one. There really shouldn't be any religious discussion on the forum because it almost always winds up in a brawl that serves no useful purpose. People demand the right to have peaceful, meaningful discussions but that very rarely happens with religion.
I suggest we each keep our beliefs as our own and let it go at that.
If you can't (and I know some of you can't), can we not denounce other people's religions, faith or beliefs as false, phony or worthless? Can we maintain a semblance of dignity and civility? (I doubt it based on past experience.)
You can scream and call each other heathens and charlatans all you want as far as I am concerned. I'm sure nunn will be along directly to poof this thread after it degenerates into the usual cat fight (which started with the initial post, BTW).
"I don't give a damn how a man prays; there's room enough in Hell for all of us!" -Mad Jack Duncan (Paint Your Wagon).0 -
He has my vote. 0 -
Just another Catholic bashing thread.[xx(] 0 -
As opposed to a Moslem, Jewish, Morman, Hindu bashing thread.
Why is it that all you superstitious people can so clearly see that everyone else is an idiot but YOUR GOD is the ONE TRUE GOD? Unless of course you believe in three Gods & a Goddess & a mulitude of lesser dieties like some Christians do.0 -
...God will know his own... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mrseatle
...God will know his own...
God knows everyone, everyone doesn't know God. Thats why we are to be "deciples" and go out to teach about God to those that don't know him and what he has done for us-them and has to offer us-them.0 -
Jesus the man did exist
Charles Manson did exist
Both claimed to be the son of god.
In 2000 years who will know the difference?
If god is so perfect, why must ANYONE have to DIE for their sin? Who is god trying to impress with his "tough love" stance? Oprah or Dr. Phil? [}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
If god is so perfect, why must ANYONE have to DIE for their sin? Who is god trying to impress with his "tough love" stance? Oprah or Dr. Phil? [}:)]
It's just the way they did things back then.0
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