Hot Guns
I got a call Sunday from an ATF agent,asking about a NEF 223 I "had".He was asking who I sold it to,but wasn't surprised when I said I didn't sale it and that it should be in my barn or in a car outside.To my suprise it and a NEF 17hmr were missing,turns out some crack head stole them and pawned the 223 in Hagerstown Md.Then the pawn shop sold it to someone from Balt.,luckily that person is going to return it for a refund and I'm giving the pawn shop a reward for it's return.Hopefully my 17 shows up somewhere also.I'd like to look the thief eye to eye over this deal.Even if the thief were 200yds away when the crosshair centered his eye it would be lights out.To bad Joe Horn wasn't my neighbor.
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How did they key on a weapon not previously reported stolen? Might be a good idea to keep better control of your deadly weapons. 0 -
Hope you get them back, there isnt much worse than a thief, if you will steal, you will do anything. 0 -
Yeah, how did they know to take a look at these weapons if they were not reported stolen? Just curious. 0 -
Batfe trace with 4473's 0 -
I owned a stolen Ruger Standard Mk. I for 25 years before I found out. 0 -
the guns were stolen from the barn or your car [?] did you really have them so available tobe stolen? yeah, I know the guy shouldnt have stolen your guns. but what are you doing to protect them? did you leave cash on the dash of the car also? 0 -
I notice on a couple other forums and this one, people will mention a cheap reliable gun you can leave in your truck, you dont worry if it gets banged around or STOLEN. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by duckhunter
Batfe trace with 4473's
Actually, an ATF agent told me they trace weapons through the "Bound book" as 4473's are destroyed after a certain amount of time. They start with the manufacturer and trace the gun through the bound book of the distributor, the dealer and to the ultimate buyer. That's why bound books need to be kept forever or surrendered to ATF.0 -
I know where everyone of my firearms are at all times. Locked up in a safe or within eyesight. Your not knowing whether they are either in the car or the barn is quite irresponsible at best. While the person that stole them is a criminal, you would be considered one too in my state had a child gotten hold of it or even a retard. That is without the weapon even being discharged. This is the kind of thing the anti-gunners jump all over. Tighten up buddy or take up knitting.
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Yea I learned my lesson about having any guns outside.As to Wartiger's question,ATF was checking the pawn shop's log and reconised the name of the person who sold it there. 0 -
If frog21 had not reported them stolen, how did ATF know to do a trace on the weapon? Unless it was used in a crime or reported stolen there would be no reason to trace it.
Something is fishy here
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Sad to say but this isn't the 1950's anymore where we can leave the house unlocked and not worry about a thing missing when we return. Theft in rural areas is very high. You were lucky to at least get one of them back. In CA for sure and possibly in other states if your gun gets stolen by a minor and someone gets hurt--you can be charged with a crime for not securing your firearms. 0 -
frog I'm just wondering where you live, that you could have someone steal 2 guns and not know it,
and any-way I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a couple new weapons, I mean, heck I'm allways looking.0 -
how do you pawn a gun without showing proof of ownership[?] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by twin60s
how do you pawn a gun without showing proof of ownership[?]
how would you show proof of ownership? what proof of ownership do YOU have?0 -
I'm no expert on this, but I've had "experience"! I had about 5 weapons stolen from my home in broad daylight! ...Nobody saw nothing! So about 10 years goes by when I get a letter from local police. Seems somebody pawned one of my rifles, and in the standard pawn check (pawn store legally have to determent if the weapon has been stolen thru local police) Well I was notified, I had to go down the pawn shop, PAY to have it returned to me and go thru all the paper work again. Then 14 days later I get to pick up the gun. SO I'm semi happy now, the police should have a "lead" on the rest of my weapons!!? ...Well months go by, so I call the police dept. They tell me they mailed a "request" for the guy that pawned the weapons to come down to the police dept. so they can "talk" ...guy never showed up. Police think because 10 yr.s has gone by that this guy was not the original thief ...SO they do NOTHING! ...Ask me if I'm impressed!??? 0 -
A couple of years ago, I noticed several guns posted here and on another auction site that looked like ones I had had stolen about 1980. I don't know exactly when they were stolen, because it was before I had safes. I went to the locked box where I had them and they were gone. There were only a handful of people who had access and that pretty well narrowed it down to the gas meter reader, the water meter reader or one of the repairmen we had in to do some work. Well, when I looked at the pictures closer, I recognized a couple that I could tell were mine. The two sellers of all the guns were a couple of shops about 300 miles away. I contacted the police and ATF, first by phone, then by letter and finally in person. I was all hot to have somebody do something. I even contacted the sellers who did exactly nothing. Well, it turns out they weren't the only ones who did nothing. Thought that I spotted another one of mine last week, so I call the ATF and local cops. Neither one has any record of me contacting them. Sending them copies of the letters I sent, but don't expect anything this time either. So, my new motto is "why bother?" 0
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