locust fork
So, do i get to drive it? huh huh huh?!
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just trying to help
http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=519041122
just a little fyi
webleys rechambered for 45 acp has not worked out to well, the original .455 is only proof tested to 13200PSI max, .45acp is 19,000-21,000 psi
as a result its not safe at all, and should only fire .455 webley cartridges
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.455_Webley
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Moved here, to stop the hijack of the "Greece in the crapper" thread...
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
I am AGAINST just about every form of gun control there is.....
BUT I do agree that there has to be some kind of system to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and crazy people. I wish they made it so that they ENTIRE COUNTRY had ONE type of firearms permit and if you got this permit there were no background checks and such. I also wish that they would tattoo a giant NO on the foreheads of child molesters and such.....but that also will not happen. If they would quit with the "each state decide for themselves" and come up with a reasonable blanket policy for the whole country. Why can't I have short barrel rifles??? I live in Alabama....the most gun friendly state there is!!!
Putting the majority of the responsibility on the FFLs is how the ATF is handling it for now. I get some guy that looks like he should have a big white dress on and a towel on his head, thick accent and fills out the forms to buy a gun....putting down he was born in Birmingham Alabama and has an ID that says he is "William Jefferson"......he passes the little phone call I make to the ATF and who do you think will be in trouble when it comes time to hold someone accountable? If there was a system that I spoke of earlier and I could just punch in "William Jefferson's" info and pull up a pic and details about him I could see that this guy is NOT him.....but we can't have that. We have the most rediculous mess ever when it comes to gun transactions......but if it was easy then they couldn't spend billions on keeping the ATF busy with this each year.....
Its ok....its not like there isn't a bill or more ideas they will pass just to show they are "trying" to stay up on things......its about time for them to change the color and format of the 4473 again isn't it??? Its only been three months or so since the last change.
I rest my case.
You rest your case because (of course) you think we should just hand guns to ANYONE and EVERYONE that wants one. In your world there are only good old boys that want to live out the old days where you could run down to the corner store, buy a bucket of nails and a full auto machine gun. Everyone is just minding their own business and only want to take their little boys out to plink at cans or take down the yearly 10 point buck and a freezer full of does. There are no worries about the stupid gold teeth thugs, maniac professors that make pipe bombs and shoot up a room full of coworkers if they don't get ten yr...none of that worries you a bit.
No no LF, in my world we follow the contract. To make that easy, we actually put criminals in jail and keep them there if they need to be kept there. And we hang those in public at the courthouse, who need to be hanged. We don't put the pot grower in prison for 20 years, and the murderer for 8. See how a justice system that "works" negates the need for ignoring the contract? This is how they have designed it, to convice the average "folk", that these infringements are needed.
When I was 14, purchased my first firearm. Model 1000 semi-auto 12 guage. Went into Coast to Coast, the man unlocked the case. I pulled it out. Went to the counter and paid. The man just smiled. So did I. That was only 1984!!!!! We didn't have all these massive gunlaws that we have now, nor did we have school shootings, gangbangers, pedophiles up the street, etc. What we had was personal responsibility, because without it, there were consequences.
Freedom carries risk. It is worth it to me. But we will have to return to treating violent criminals like criminals (The result will be far less of them) and stop treating the law abiding as if they are guilty until innocent. That is what all of these RKBA violating laws do!0 -
Did you lay down the law in the shop? Did all your employees mutiny over smoking rights? 0 -
How did the Notre Dame ring episode turn out?..>Did the guy come and get it? .... 0 -
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Where is your shop in Remlap .
I live in Pinson, And would like to come see your store .0 -
Traci -
See this link. <http://www.{elsewhere}/977004339/Guns/Shotguns/Double-Shotguns/English/WEBLEY_SCOTT_12_BORE_SPORTING_GUN.htm> (Edited... Guess I can't link to "Firearms" America - sometimes called "Guns" because of the nanny software , so I guess you'll never be able to use the reference.[}:)])
I believe it more or less confirms my opinion on your W&S double and will give you a fair idea of the price the piece will go for. (Remember that the 16ga is somewhat of a demerit.)
The A&F stamping will not detract from overall value in a good shooter... Which this is. It, however, does make the piece a gun made for the trade. Not a bad thing since this is not a collector's item.
One previous post is somewhat misleading I believe. A refinish or reblue is of little importance as far as the value of a good shooter. While value might increase slightly, the cost will always exceed the increase in total value. Only had the gun been returned to W&S for a total rebuild (documented) would the value really take a jump. Again, I suspect the cost would exceed value.
And so my opinion stands. The gun will go for a low of $600 and a high of $900. Obviously I hope that you'll find someone in the right place at the right time and that you'll do better.
Still, as a disinterested party I must be realistic. I know this is a good shotgun, but I also know there are other good shotguns out there. This piece has straight-grained wood, shows use, and is not overly endowed with the things that add a lot of value to a shotgun. In other words a fine field gun, but nothing more.
Please don't be offended by my critique as I hope that I'm much too much a pessimist. I love fine shotguns and know a bit about them. As I said in a previous post, while your W&S is a good shotgun I'd pay more for a nice L.C. Smith, a good Baker, or an Ithaca double... Not their cheaper Lefever line. Same with L.C. Smith. I'd buy the Smith but avoid the Hunter even though I know it to be a good gun.
I wish you the best in your venture. Double shotguns are a science unto themelves. There are wallhangers, shooters, and true collectibles. Within each category the values go to the extreme both high and low.
Look at the Winchester 21. At any distance it's hard to distinguish from a Stevens or Hunter boxlock, BUT WHAT A DIFFERENCE! Go figure.
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You have email. 0 -
How are the dogs doing?
Hope everything worked out.0 -
Is this cousin Lolas boyfriend? 0 -
Do you ever get weird requests or questions from customers? Last year I sold one of the four barreled .357 mag pistols on the auction side. I had a dude from London UK send half a dozen emails wanting to buy the gun even after me explaining I would not ship the gun to England. He wanted to know if he could buy the gun and me keep it for him so he could visit it here. Have you had any guns come in loaded? We have. The customer happened to be at the shop when I opened the package. It was a "new" 22 auto rifle which had clearly been fired quite a bit. When I checked the chamber a round ejected and several more were in the mag. We had a doctor move to NC from NY and had twenty guns including twelve handguns shipped to us. When he came in to pick them up he could not understand whe he needed ID and permits to pick up his guns. Kept saying he was a doctor from NY. like that was some kind of exemption. It took almost a year before he finally picked up all of his stuff. But you have some doozies too. 0 -
I was wondering if you got your buckle yet and when you're going to give it to your dad.[?] 0 -
When did you become a moderator?
Good Lord, this place will soon have more mods than "common folk" like me. [;)]
What's next, DCon as a mod? [:D][:D][:D]
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You got mail [:)] Thanks in advance. Oak 0 -
I recieved the gifts today. They are VERY nice. They will replace what I am currently using. The glasses fit me perfectly. Thanks so much!!! 0 -
How are your friends coming along that had the accident?
Are they OK?
So, You want to pass the hat along, or do they have insurance, or what?0 -
i guess the thread went to the wayside, i was curious how your auction was going, hope you got it worked out 0 -
Thanks for the heads up on the cookies after Spiderman. I enjoyed the show.[:)] 0 -
you had mentioned that you were going to auction a Colt SP1 a few weeks ago ad I am wondering if I missed it?
Please plug it if you get it up and running. I will bid but probably not high enough to win it. Those things are getting spendy.0 -
Whadya take on the 2 Berettas with matching SN's? C'mon give me a BIN.[:D][;)] 0 -
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Thanks again [:D]
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How is your son Liam Liking his new jeep???? Did he get to drive it yet??? Pictures, pictures, Pictures, please!!!!!! 0 -
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You have mail. 0 -
What is the latest word about
the rifles for the giveaway.
did I miss something that I
should know about?
mijelo0 -
I cant find the topic, How is that Halo costume coming along? [:D] 0 -
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