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Give me the pros and cons, looking at a Excursion, Suburban, or similar. Anyone know the mileage on the Ford V-10's?
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have not drove a v 10 so cant say....my excursion with the 6.0L power stroke gets from 16 to around 18 on long trips 0 -
Is yours a automatic or standard? 0 -
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A friend of mine has one in a Ranch King dually. He claims 14 mpg. He also stretches the truth from time to time, so take it at that. I do know pulling heavy loads he has trouble keeping up with me on take offs and steep hills.
Ford should have never replaced the 460 with the V-10.
My grandpa had a V-10 Dodge 3/4 ton once. It got 11 mpg worst pulling and it pull like crap. Very disappointing truck.
Parts will be very expensive also.
I think I would look at a Surburban with a 6.0 or a V-8 Excursion.
Better yet look at a Diesel. Better mileage and it will hold it's value better at resell, so you it's much cheaper to own in the long run.0 -
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I had a v-10 for a very short time. 8 mpg tops going down hill in a f350. 0 -
I would think twice about a Ford diesel. I have had three of them the 7.3 were a great motor. The 6.0 have had lots of problems, I just got rid of mine. I have a some friends they have had nothing but trouble with the first couple years of them. Now they have a 6.4 I have heard they are having injector troubles with them. The gas motors don't get the mile per gallon or have the power, so if you are pulling a load all the time you are going to be using a lot more gas. The price of diesel around here is .50-.60 a gallon more, and the diesel costs 5K more to start with. It takes a long time to make them pay off over a gas motor at this time.
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The Suburban will get about 17 around town, 20-21 on the highway. I don't know of anyone having any major problems with them either. 0 -
My sisters ex husband has a F-250 with the V-10, averages around 9-12 mpg, never above 14.
A friend has a Excursion with the diesel & averages 10-14 mpg's
The right choice would really depend on how you are going to use it and your driving conditions. Another friend has a 1 ton Chevy with the 6.0 & a 5-speed & says it pulls better than as his dads small Freightliner & gets the same fuel milage. I've heard alot of people say the V-10 isn't worth it and they should have gotten the V-8.0 -
The Ford/GM subject has pretty well been covered, so I won't repeat. Allow me to share from a somewhat different perspective...
We've owned Chrysler products for many years. My late father purchased an '01 Durango with the 4.7 engine. He'd never reset the trip computer and he seemed to average about 17 mpg overall. This vehicle now has over 150k miles on the clock and continues to be a great truck. We also owned a Grand Cherokee with the same motor and were very pleased. 15 mpg around town, but an honest 21 mpg on the highway. Overall the Durango may have been a bit better.
Our GC was traded for an '06 Durango with the Hemi. A much larger and more comfortable car than the GC and I didn't have many hopes about overall economy. Unexpectedly this wasn't the case. No difference in economy... But the difference in power is awesome.
Diesels? Again, we're a Chrysler family. The current truck and past four have been RAM 2500 CTD's. 17 mpg overall on winter fuel. Over 21 mpg on summer fuel as a rule. Towing will make you forget that a gas vehicle was ever offered and generally return about 50% better economy load for load. Buy the vehicle to use it, not to trade it.
My experience is that diesels do actually return their added initial cost, but this may not be the general rule. Most 3/4 ton trucks are purchased for commercial use and have a LOT of "experience" when traded. Nice heavy trucks with light use simply bring a premium.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not selling Dodge. I'm merely saying that you need to be very careful when selecting a vehicle. Look at a lot of things and don't get too hung up on brand names. I've found that the "prouder" the owner is of a vehicle, the more likely he'll fabricate economy numbers. Don't believe the guy in his polished up Chevy 1500 that claims 23 mpg any more than the proud owner of a Ford or Dodge. It just ain't so!
Gasoline powered vehicles get horrible towing economy. There's just no magic bullet. Some get a bit better economy running light than others, but it's not that much. (Gearing and transmissions have most to do with this.) Our Hemi reverts to four cylinder mode when not under load. It helps overall economy. Others? I really don't know.
And to be perfectly fair we've more or less sidelined our bigger vehicles. The Durango gets used when we need to haul a number of people in comfort. The truck when we need a truck. And now a gently used '01 VW Jetta TDI for the mundane everyday stuff.
The Jetta? Let's just say that VW has a theory that while you may have purchased one of their cars, they still own it. A beautiful owner's manual that invariably insists you return the vehicle to the dealer for absolutely any problem at all. The choice is to do exactly that, or learn on your own. The former is expensive and the latter takes time and patience.
Payoff is in the economy department. Some of you will think me one of those "proud" owners I referred to earlier. I'm not! A standard Jetta TDI should turn in excess of 40 mpg around town. It will also return numbers over 50 mpg on the highway at Interstate speeds. Acceleration is acceptable and unlike small gas motors, the TDI has torque enough to make hills disappear. You won't be shifting down. This I assure you. And it's reasonably comfortable. I ran the numbers and found that the VW diesel will very quickly pay for itself even if you drive only 15k miles a year.
Sorry for being long-winded, but I though some might be interested.0 -
I have 2001 with the 5.4 4x4 it does not pass to many gas stations about 12 tops but it does have 249678 miles on it with no major work done to it 0 -
A buddy of mine (a GM guy) set out to buy a used Suburban. He'd never given any thought to anything else. Then he saw the price tags of used Suburbans and Excursions - as I recall the Fords were anywhere from $ 5,000 to $ 8,000 cheaper. Bascially the Excursions have depricated quickly while the Suburbans haven't.
Buddy bought the Ford, still has it & seems to be satisfied. As I recall, he's getting 12 -14 mpg with the V-10. Even if the Suburban gets 2 or 3 more mpg (big IF) it'll take along time to get back the extra thousands you spent to get it.
Purchase price alone would lead me to the Ford.0 -
Ford Expedition EL (8 passengers comfortably). That is what we want, we have the regular Expedition. It has more room in the third row that any other vehicle. I am 6'2" and I have plenty of head room back there.
The EL is the extended length version and has a LOT of room behind the 3rd row. Ours does not - the only complaint that we have.
We had a Durango - nice car but they are TINY!0 -
Well, since they quit makeing the Excursion, that can be narrowed down quite quickly. Get a GMC not a Chevrolet. No, they aren't the same. 0 -
I work at a federal agency that has a fleet of Suburbans. A few years back we bought a bunch of Excursions for a 24 month comparison test. The Excursions gave us nothing but problems: the trannys were always going out of them and they just eat brakes. We surplused them off and stayed with the Suburbans, which we have had no problems with at all. And they are run hard. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by drjew
Well, since they quit makeing the Excursion, that can be narrowed down quite quickly. Get a GMC not a Chevrolet. No, they aren't the same.
Any evidence of this?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Warpig883
quote:Originally posted by drjew
Well, since they quit makeing the Excursion, that can be narrowed down quite quickly. Get a GMC not a Chevrolet. No, they aren't the same.
Any evidence of this?
With the exception of some option packages (Z71 on the Chevy, Denali on the GMC, etc) the Chevy Suburban and the GMC Yukon XL ARE THE SAME TRUCKS BUILT ON THE SAME ASSEMBLY LINE.
And I'm a GMC fan0 -
Purely a matter of cosmetics and a few minor options.
For myself, I'd have to go with the GMC. The reason being that I've always driven Chrysler products and knocked Chevy. ( All in good humor.)
This mostly because Chevy owners couldn't do simple math and told tall tales about their superior economy. One, in particular, had me almost convinced until I returned from Chicago with him. His truck and my old RamCharger (which got horrible economy) were within maybe a mile per gallon of each other. Both terrible, but at least the seats in the Dodge were far superior.
So... Pride will be the issue. I could never let any of those guys see a Chevy in my yard. And I'll claim that the GMC and Chevy are nowhere near the same vehicle even though I know better.[;)]0 -
I am on my 4th suburban, and will buy more. Fords ride rougher and my neighbors excursion was a pig. they are way to big in the body and I like independant front suspensions for comfort. I get around 21-22mpg on the highway with a z-71 suburban w/3.73:1 gears. 0 -
I have a F250 with a 6.4 deisel 17-18 mpg at highway speedlimit
15 mpg at 85-90 mph
12 mpg pulling 28 foot rv at 75 mph
6 speed manual trans 3:73 gears
20,000 miles no problems has 100,000 warntee.
it's quiet and a good ride for a 3/4 ton truck0 -
the excursion is a 3/4 ton suspension
there 3/4 suburbans though most are on 1/2 ton supensions
i had a suburban 3/4 ton one with 5.7 it did not do very well on mpg's
the excursion with the 6.0 power stroke beats the suburban that i had on mpg's hands down.....i prefer the ex jmo
get what turns your crank......that is what counts
Johnnylikesguns......that is way better mpg from the 6.4 than what the guys i know that have them are getting!......most barely get 10 mpg0 -
If you are looking at new vehicles, check out the Chevy's with the "Active Fuel Management" that cuts off the fuel to the last 2 or 4 cylinders when not needed.
I don't know what the Suburban gets offhand but the half ton pickups get about 20 mpg on the highway-they do as well as the Colorado's and are much more comfortable and powerful.
The Chevy Dura-Max is a great engine as well. Expect about 20 to 22 mpgs, depending on your driving.
I have a 95 Suburban that gets about 17 on the highway. My 02 Avalanche gets about 16.
I sell Chevy's and our other dealership sells Fords.
In Michigan, Chevy's will usually resale higher than Ford's. Out west, that may be different.
My brother has a Ford V-10 Long box crew cab and it surprised me how well it did on gas. Comfortable and powerful but that is an 02 (I think) and he babies it.
And now a plug-If you are looking at buying new, GM is giving some decent rebates on the Suburbans. I don't know what Ford is doing right now. Email me if you want me to get you a price on either. We can often deliver through dealers all over the USA.0 -
My 04 trailblazer with 4.2 Vortec in line 6 got me 21 per gallon with air on.Going from Detroit to Memphis Tenn.It has auto and $wheel drive.1FMJ> 0 -
Used SUV are dirt cheep these days. New ones still cost a ton.
I have a 99 GMC Suburban and mostly love it. I got mine back in the day when I could afford 2 vehicles and had a car. I bought this to use to pull stuff and work/live in during fire season. Well mine is a 2500, heavy 3/4 ton (1 ton running gear) with a 454 Vortec and I run about 10.5 to 11 mpg. I have a 44 gallon tank so I still make it 400 miles between fill ups [B)].
On the plus side I can load my truck up with several hundred pounds of fire gear, hook my ATV on and pass just about anyone I want while going up hill. [:D][:D][:D] I get lots of funny looks doing it.0 -
Thank you all for all your input. I have learned a few things. This purchase will most definitely be a used vehicle, somewhere in the 10K-15K range.
Found an '02 Suburban, with 72K on it, no 4X4, never wrecked, never smoked in for 10,900. This is the kind I'm looking for. I think I would like to have the Ford, but Suburbans are cheaper that I've found. Better on the mileage too it sounds like.0 -
2wd will get better mileage than mine due to being lighter and turning less drivetrain. I would however buy a 4wd if I could find one for anywhere near $2k-$3k more. You never know when you'll need it, and resale is better. MHO 0 -
quote:Originally posted by P228
I work at a federal agency that has a fleet of Suburbans. A few years back we bought a bunch of Excursions for a 24 month comparison test. The Excursions gave us nothing but problems: the trannys were always going out of them and they just eat brakes. We surplused them off and stayed with the Suburbans, which we have had no problems with at all. And they are run hard.
I can second that. Our bomb squad guys got Excursions a few years back for free on a federal grant. It's a good thing they were no cost out the door, because they are constantly in the shop.
Also should add....If you plan on towing much, especially a boat you will kick yourself later for getting a 2wd instead of a 4x4.0 -
Our company has a few of everything.
Silverados with the Duramax is hard to beat. Good power and good fule mileage. That Allison transmisson sets it off, comfortable to drive. Problems with wiper motors and transfer cases. Fuel mileage in the 20 range empty and the worst was 16 dragging a very heavy load at a good speed. Below average brakes.
Ford 250 with the 7.3, wish they still made that truck cause I'd buy more of the same. Fuel mileage in the 17 or 18 range. Good brakes.
Dodge 3500 4wd. Good mileage 19 or so and acceptable power, nothing like the 7.3 or the Duramax. Poor quality steering. A tracking bar and front whel bearings every 100,000 miles. What's with that? Avaerage brakes.
Wifes Tahoe, well, now thats a vehicle. around 19 on the highway and reliable as an anvil. Doesn't do well in twisty roads. Brakes usually stop it in time, sometimes they don't, ask the wife about that.0
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