Cops owe $170,000 from gun buyback
When the lines at Saturday's three gun exchange locations snaked around several city blocks and the money ran out, Oakland Police Chief Wayne Tucker had a choice to make: Turn people and their guns away, or give them vouchers for a future payday.
Tucker opted for the IOUs. As a result more than 1,000 weapons were turned in - many by gun dealers - and the final tally was significantly higher than the 300 guns organizers expected to collect. State Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata raised about $80,000 from private donors, but the cash-strapped Police Department is on the hook for at least $170,000.
Just where the department will come up with that much cash is anyone's guess.
"OPD is picking up the rest," said police spokesman Roland Holmgren. "Where will we get it?That's a good question. I don't think we've really identified that yet."
Given the fact that from Friday through Sunday seven of 10 people shot died, the department fully realizes the importance of keeping weapons out of the wrong hands, he said.
He said the police department would probably ask the City Council and Perata for help. Council President Ignacio De La Fuente (Glenview-Fruitvale) was not optimistic.
"I think that Mr. Perata and the police department have to pay for it," De La Fuente said. "What can I say? The chief is the one who authorized it, we didn't authorize it."
Alicia Trost, Perata's spokesperson, said the senator would meet with
he police chief "to figure out where to go from here." He was already talking about sponsoring another event, she said.
She said Perata made it clear when he announced the gun buy-back event last month that his goal was to take in 100 guns each at three different locations. He based that estimate on previous buy-back events.
During Oakland's last gun exchange people were offered tickets to a Guns N' Roses concert. Result: 67 guns turned in.
So why was this one so popular? Perata upped the ante when he offered $250 cash per gun, no questions asked or identification required. The event was widely advertised in the media, as well as on flyers that were distributed far and wide. The Golden State Warriors even did a public service announcement.
Holmgren said some people left the line rather than provide information so the police department could contact them when it was time to get paid.
Still, the massive turnout caught everyone by surprise.
"There were some people who took advantage of the system," Holmgren said. "We didn't expect to have people come from Reno. Some were gun dealers who couldn't get rid of them any other way. They came in with 30 or 50 guns, and some still had price tags on them, like $35. Who else has that many guns?"
The first two people in line at Christian Cathedral on Coolidge Avenue were gun dealers with 60 guns in the trunk of their car. At that point, the sponsors instituted a five-gun limit, but from the first moment Perata's fund was already half gone at that location, Trost said.
"Chief Tucker actually made the decision to issue the vouchers rather than turn them away," she said. "We're very grateful that people didn't waste their entire morning."
That, of course, is a matter of opinion.
The resulting traffic jams infuriated residents who got caught up in the mess. People who waited hours to turn in their weapons, including those who left when they heard the sponsors ran out of money and didn't hear that vouchers were being offered, were not charitable in their opinions either.
"I observed people from all different cities in California turning in guns," wrote Rosie Anderson in an e-mail to the Oakland Tribune. "I don't see how getting guns off the streets of Fresno and other cities will help cut crime in Oakland."
William Edge and his brother waited more than two hours in traffic to find out he wouldn't be paid for turning in his rifle.
"It was the most incompetent fiasco I have been involved in," he wrote, fuming that poor traffic control allowed people to cut in ahead of those who had been waiting for a long time. "I never read where there was a 100-gun limit. On Coolidge there were over 90 people in line in a hour, so most of the people were left out."
Jim Hildreth, a former Oakland resident who now lives in Sonora, said he applauded Perata's efforts to get guns off the streets, even if people were overpaid for their weapons in some cases.
"When it comes to the maiming of someone's life, $250 is nothing," Hildreth said.
All the guns will be tested to make sure they were not used in a crime, Holmgren said. Once that is done, the guns will be turned over to The Crucible, a nonprofit art studio, where they will be turned into some sort of peace sculpture.
Tucker opted for the IOUs. As a result more than 1,000 weapons were turned in - many by gun dealers - and the final tally was significantly higher than the 300 guns organizers expected to collect. State Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata raised about $80,000 from private donors, but the cash-strapped Police Department is on the hook for at least $170,000.
Just where the department will come up with that much cash is anyone's guess.
"OPD is picking up the rest," said police spokesman Roland Holmgren. "Where will we get it?That's a good question. I don't think we've really identified that yet."
Given the fact that from Friday through Sunday seven of 10 people shot died, the department fully realizes the importance of keeping weapons out of the wrong hands, he said.
He said the police department would probably ask the City Council and Perata for help. Council President Ignacio De La Fuente (Glenview-Fruitvale) was not optimistic.
"I think that Mr. Perata and the police department have to pay for it," De La Fuente said. "What can I say? The chief is the one who authorized it, we didn't authorize it."
Alicia Trost, Perata's spokesperson, said the senator would meet with
he police chief "to figure out where to go from here." He was already talking about sponsoring another event, she said.
She said Perata made it clear when he announced the gun buy-back event last month that his goal was to take in 100 guns each at three different locations. He based that estimate on previous buy-back events.
During Oakland's last gun exchange people were offered tickets to a Guns N' Roses concert. Result: 67 guns turned in.
So why was this one so popular? Perata upped the ante when he offered $250 cash per gun, no questions asked or identification required. The event was widely advertised in the media, as well as on flyers that were distributed far and wide. The Golden State Warriors even did a public service announcement.
Holmgren said some people left the line rather than provide information so the police department could contact them when it was time to get paid.
Still, the massive turnout caught everyone by surprise.
"There were some people who took advantage of the system," Holmgren said. "We didn't expect to have people come from Reno. Some were gun dealers who couldn't get rid of them any other way. They came in with 30 or 50 guns, and some still had price tags on them, like $35. Who else has that many guns?"
The first two people in line at Christian Cathedral on Coolidge Avenue were gun dealers with 60 guns in the trunk of their car. At that point, the sponsors instituted a five-gun limit, but from the first moment Perata's fund was already half gone at that location, Trost said.
"Chief Tucker actually made the decision to issue the vouchers rather than turn them away," she said. "We're very grateful that people didn't waste their entire morning."
That, of course, is a matter of opinion.
The resulting traffic jams infuriated residents who got caught up in the mess. People who waited hours to turn in their weapons, including those who left when they heard the sponsors ran out of money and didn't hear that vouchers were being offered, were not charitable in their opinions either.
"I observed people from all different cities in California turning in guns," wrote Rosie Anderson in an e-mail to the Oakland Tribune. "I don't see how getting guns off the streets of Fresno and other cities will help cut crime in Oakland."
William Edge and his brother waited more than two hours in traffic to find out he wouldn't be paid for turning in his rifle.
"It was the most incompetent fiasco I have been involved in," he wrote, fuming that poor traffic control allowed people to cut in ahead of those who had been waiting for a long time. "I never read where there was a 100-gun limit. On Coolidge there were over 90 people in line in a hour, so most of the people were left out."
Jim Hildreth, a former Oakland resident who now lives in Sonora, said he applauded Perata's efforts to get guns off the streets, even if people were overpaid for their weapons in some cases.
"When it comes to the maiming of someone's life, $250 is nothing," Hildreth said.
All the guns will be tested to make sure they were not used in a crime, Holmgren said. Once that is done, the guns will be turned over to The Crucible, a nonprofit art studio, where they will be turned into some sort of peace sculpture.
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Unintended consequences.
Good.
Hope some GB members made out.
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now that is funny right there. 0 -
What's wrong with putting the crimminals in jail? OH wait that makes sense. [:D] 0 -
If I only had a truck load of jennings and ravens[:D] What a bunch of dolts, $250 for something thats worth $10. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
If I only had a truck load of jennings and ravens[:D] What a bunch of dolts, $250 for something thats worth $10.
But wait Franc...[;)]
"When it comes to the maiming of someone's life, $250 is nothing," Hildreth said.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
What's wrong with putting the crimminals in jail? OH wait that makes sense. [:D]
Sense? Oakland PD? your asking for to much[:D]0 -
The absolute stupidity of gun grabbers like Perata humors the hell out of me.
Maybe they will have a gun buy back for my area soon.
Lets see, no questions asked and no I.D. required, but the guns were going to be tested to make sure they were'nt used in crimes. Whats the point, they can't match the gun to anyone if they don't know who turned it in.
Its good to see that some savy gun shop owners were able to dispose of some junk guns they could not sell for $35.00 and get $250.00 for them thru the buy-back.0 -
Could we start a petition to encourage Indy to do this? I could retire again! 0 -
Cut two police officers from the force, and they have their money within a year.
Cops around the bay area are overpaid and under qualified anyway.0 -
"All the guns will be tested to make sure they were not used in a crime, Holmgren said. Once that is done, the guns will be turned over to The Crucible, a nonprofit art studio, where they will be turned into some sort of peace sculpture."
Notice that they do not attempt to return stolen guns to the rightful owners?[:(!]0 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
Just where the department will come up with that much cash is anyone's guess.
Can you say SPEED TRAP?0 -
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Damn need one of those around here. Have a Lorcen I need to get rid of. One of those bids before checking, not going to happen again. 0 -
$250? Damn!
I never thought of a Raven .25 as an investment opportunity....I do now0 -
quote:Originally posted by pickenup
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
Just where the department will come up with that much cash is anyone's guess.
Can you say SPEED TRAP?
Yep, you beat me to it. I'd say to avoid driving in that area for as long as possible.0 -
Maybe the Police dept could have an auction and sell what they brought in.[:D]
They could call it the law of diminishing returns.0 -
quote:All the guns will be tested to make sure they were not used in a crime, Holmgren said. Once that is done, the guns will be turned over to The Crucible, a nonprofit art studio, where they will be turned into some sort of peace sculpture.
Correct me if I am wrong but if the police buy these guns and give them to The Crucible wouldn't that be a straw purchase?0 -
Two things here.
First off, in talking to an Oakland Officer, they got a lot of military rifles from WWI and WWII. They are prohibited from selling them so apparently they are trying to find a way to donate them to some appropriate organization. Regardless - not really the type of gun the are trying to get off the street.
Secondly, Peralta was recently car jacked which sort of started all this "Gun Reduction" effort. What was not reported is that the good Mr. Peralta had two guns in the car when it was taken and he did not report them missing for several days to let the noise die down. Then the idiot cannot even operate a gun turn in correctly.0 -
I for see them coming up with some bond or some crap that the citizens will have to pick up. Can you say sales tax increase? Or they may just start shaking down people and seizing their assets for the smallest amount of drugs in posession (hell they'll start planting more than usual amount). Now it'll be odd if they started to go after drug dealers so they can get their money to pay for the bill. Either way the tax payers will pay for their mistake (another reason to move out of California).
What would serve them right would be asking people to come back to claim the guns and give them back the cash.0 -
I'm glad everyone seems to have changed their minds about the buybacks.
When the fools are in charge, sometimes it's better to aid them so as to hasten the collapse from the inside. It's much easier to rebuild from rubble than having to knock down a structure first.
They're like Johns, we take their money and give them a piece that ain't worth crap! [;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by CA sucks
Cut two police officers from the force, and they have their money within a year.
Cops around the bay area are overpaid and under qualified anyway.
Since this buy-back program is supposed to cut crime they won't need that many officers anyway.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dan55362
quote:All the guns will be tested to make sure they were not used in a crime, Holmgren said. Once that is done, the guns will be turned over to The Crucible, a nonprofit art studio, where they will be turned into some sort of peace sculpture.
Correct me if I am wrong but if the police buy these guns and give them to The Crucible wouldn't that be a straw purchase?
That there is funny!!0
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