NRA Destroys 2nd Amendment
Let's stir this up a little.
Anybody not rejoining the NRA because of their involvement with this Bill?
This Bill directly affects me so I'm just going to rejoin GOA and join 2nd Amendment Foundation.
NRA Helps To Destroy The 2nd Amendment
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=5590
Anybody not rejoining the NRA because of their involvement with this Bill?
This Bill directly affects me so I'm just going to rejoin GOA and join 2nd Amendment Foundation.
NRA Helps To Destroy The 2nd Amendment
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=5590
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They've got my last dime until they recant and admit they were wrong.
I'd been a member for 18 yrs. I found a grassroots organization, Virginia Citizens Defense League that I joined.
You know, it's not so much that the NRA supported H.R. 2640, it's the fact that the NRA would not respond to members when they questioned their motives.
www.vcdl.org0 -
SCREW THE NRA!!!!!!!!!! 0 -
quote: The legislation will effectively disarm people who the government declares to be mentally defective. :unquote
Who the government declares to be mentally defective....The government can define mentally defective anyway they want....giving them this kind of power is insane!!!!!!0 -
I quit rejoining the NRA 15 years ago. 0 -
Holy crap! GRD and I are in agreement on a political argument. Hell just froze. Maybe there is hope for you after all.[:D]
If you really want to stir, add God to the argument somehow and we can all watch for fox to reply.[}:)]0 -
quote:jimdeere
You know, it's not so much that the NRA supported H.R. 2640, it's the fact that the NRA would not respond to members when they questioned their motives.
I too called them as soon as the Bill passed and they said they would get back to me and never did.
I think I'll call them again tomorrow and let them know I'm still waiting for an answer.
quote:If you really want to stir, add God to the argument somehow and we can all watch for fox to reply.
God Bless GUN OWNERS of AMERICA. [:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
Holy crap! GRD and I are in agreement on a political argument. Hell just froze. Maybe there is hope for you after all.[:D]
If you really want to stir, add God to the argument somehow and we can all watch for fox to reply.[}:)]
I am still waiting for a knock at my door over this new law!
With me being listed through the VA as haveing PTSD I will be in the first group that they will come and visit.0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
Holy crap! GRD and I are in agreement on a political argument. Hell just froze. Maybe there is hope for you after all.[:D]
If you really want to stir, add God to the argument somehow and we can all watch for fox to reply.[}:)]
I am still waiting for a knock at my door over this new law!
With me being listed through the VA as haveing PTSD I will be in the first group that they will come and visit.
Here's what you should do. Send me all of your guns. That way, when they come to get them, there won't be anything for them to take.0 -
If you have ever been diagnosed with Depression, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder(ADHD), Attention Deficit Disorder(ADD), Dyslexia or any kind of Addiction like, Alcoholism or Drug Dependence, you are defined as mentally ill....
Don't forget the fact that if you don't think the way they do, they think there is someting wrong with you....
Starting to come together now....How long have Doctors been trying to find out how many guns, if any, we have at home.....0 -
The way I read the bill, not just the media interpretations, you still have to be adjudicated mentally defective as you did before this bill. To the best of my knowledge, this means that a court or other government entity (this part is vague I'm not sure how many groups/people fit in the other category) has to officially declare you mentally defective. No where in the bill can I find any language that dissolves doctor-patient confidentiality. This is why it mostly effects veterans, because their medical records are already in big brothers files.
I don't mean by any of this that I support this legislation, I think it terrible crap. If there are any legal scholars out there who have read the bill, and can explain something I've misunderstood I'd like to know.0 -
Doctor-patient confidentiality is a myth.
If you go to the doctor and tell him you think you had a seizure and he agrees with you, by law, he has to notify the State Police so they can pull your Drivers license.
Key Points
There is no duty of confidentiality owed unless a bona-fide doctor-patient relationship exists or existed.
The scope of the duty of doctor-patient confidentiality, as well as the existence of a doctor-patient legal privilege, varies from state to state. No federal law governs doctor-patient confidentiality or privilege.
Generally, what is confidential is information that is learned or gained by a doctor, during or as a result of the doctor's communications with examination of you, or medical assessment of the patient.
The duty of confidentiality continues even after the patient stops seeing or being treated by the doctor.
The duty of confidentiality is not absolute. Doctors may divulge or disclose personal information, against the patient's will, under very limited circumstances0 -
I dont know what to do now that the 2nd amendment has been destroyed.
Any suggestions?0 -
The NRA is NOT a boon to hunters. Sure they have their ECHO program that makes them seem like a conervation minded group but that is smoke and mirrors. Mark my words the politicians they support are the same ones who will sell your public lands and wildlife out to the highest bidder who wants to drill a methane gas well. The NRA and their politicians are a plague to Joe lunch bucket hunter. Your public lands and wildlife are in greater peril than your guns. 0 -
originally posted by RugerNiner:
Anybody not rejoining the NRA because of their involvement with this Bill?
Ruger9,
yes, as a matter of fact. i wrote them a rather lengthy, scathing letter stating exactly how betrayed i felt. i will post it here, and if you like it, by all means copy it and send it to them.
National Rifle Association of America
Attn: Wayne LaPierre - Exec. VP
11250 Waples Mill Rd.
Fairfax VA 22030
I have been a member of the NRA since 1991, and a life member since 1998. I have supported the NRA both vocally and monetarily in their efforts, but no more. I have stood idly by for the last few years and watched as more and more restrictions have been signed into law. Meanwhile, the NRA has appeared to do little or nothing to fight these restrictions, and even went as far as supporting the most recent legislation, HR 2640.
It was this support of HR 2640 that was the proverbial "nail in the coffin." I know that any legislation with support from the likes of Sen. Schumer and Rep. McCarthy cannot be good for firearms owners. It doesn't surprise me when they support restrictive legislation, but for the organization, that supposedly represents me and my RTKBA supports it, I find it appalling. HR 2640 was nothing more than the typical "knee-jerk" reaction to a terrible tragedy; ironically, an incident that may have been prevented had it not been for previous legislation declaring school property and college campuses as "gun-free" zones. Do not bother with replying to me singing the praises of this legislation, and touting it as being pro-gun. It's not. "You can take a hog. You can clean and wash him up. You can put a ribbon around his neck; but you know what? He's still a hog." The NRA fell for this garbage hook, line, and sinker. They bought-in to the argument that HR 2640 was "common-sense" regulation. The NRA believed the government of the United States, and what they were saying. A little study in history will show that is a very risky thing to do. The NRA should also cease its mantra of "enforce, enforce, enforce the existing laws." _ of the existing firearms laws now are unconstitutional. How about "repeal, repeal, repeal?"
I also take issue with the NRA on its action, or lack thereof, in this election year. We have a candidate vying for the Presidency this year that has openly stated his support for the Constitution / RTKBA, and has backed it up with his action in the U.S. House of Representatives. His record leaves no question as to his passionate support of the 2nd Amendment. He has consistently voted for pro-gun legislation and has consistently voted against further restrictions on our RTKBA. I would think that an organization as influential as the NRA would be exhausting all efforts in encouraging support for Rep. Ron Paul. In your literature, you are always using the example of "Lexington Green" and the "shot heard round the world." Well, it is time you take some of you own medicine and follow the example of the famous patriot Paul Revere. You should be "hanging lanterns in the bell tower" and "riding through the night" to inform gun owners about Rep. Paul, and doing everything you can to garner support for him in his bid for the Presidency, but I have witnessed none of this. No email alerts. No mailers. No columns in the American Rifleman. No phone calls. Nothing but the chirping of crickets. Why?
I surmise that you have taken the same position as the mainstream media, and believe Rep. Paul is a non-viable candidate, i.e. unelectable. You will choose your "golden-boy" candidate to endorse, even though that candidate will not be as strong a supporter of the Constitution as Rep. Paul. We have started choosing candidates on "electability" or "the lesser of two evils." I have always despised that logic because your conscience should determine whom you support, and voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still a vote for evil. Whatever happened to doing the right thing because it is right? It may not be popular, but it is right, nonetheless.
Because of the two issues I have mentioned, with particular emphasis on the first one, you, the NRA, have alienated gun owners. Many of them are members of your organization. Many of them are former members of your organization. I have been a "hold-out" so far. I believe everyone is subject to making bad decisions, and I believe in giving them a chance to redeem themselves. Many of your former members will disagree, and believe you have established a pattern of the aforementioned behaviors. I am inclined to agree with them. I believe you may be able to save face if:
1) You issue a formal apology to all firearms owners for supporting this most recent legislation (HR2640), as well as the other "common-sense" restrictions you've stood behind.
2) Immediately begin a campaign to not only block further restrictive legislation, but to repeal most of the legislation in place. You should be familiar with it, because you gave your stamp of approval on much of it.
3) Endorse Rep. Ron Paul as your candidate for President of the United States. You know of all the candidates, he is the strongest supporter of the RTKBA, and has the record to prove it.
Do this, and it will show the gun owners in this country that you have some integrity left. However, continue on the path you have been on, and you will leave me with no choice. I will be mailing my membership card back to you, and withdrawing from your organization. I will not give my vocal support to you when I am among other gun owners, and will point them to organizations such as GOA and JPFO. I will give you no monetary support to put in the bag with your "thirty pieces of silver" either. And do not make the mistake of thinking, "He's just one member; it doesn't matter." There are many other of your members that feel just as betrayed as I do. Many have left, and unless there is a change of direction, many more will leave, including myself. Do what is right.
Sincerely,
Shane Draughn0 -
quote:Originally posted by RugerNiner
quote:jimdeere
You know, it's not so much that the NRA supported H.R. 2640, it's the fact that the NRA would not respond to members when they questioned their motives.
I too called them as soon as the Bill passed and they said they would get back to me and never did.
I think I'll call them again tomorrow and let them know I'm still waiting for an answer.
quote:If you really want to stir, add God to the argument somehow and we can all watch for fox to reply.
God Bless GUN OWNERS of AMERICA. [:D]
Amen.....and piss on the NRA.0 -
Actually, I'm tired of their relentless badgering to get more donations out of me. It's never ending and I've had it. I can't imagine what they spend in postage. GOA for me. 0 -
Very good! If they will do those things I will rejoin. 0 -
How about this. I went to their website as soon as this passes and wrote them an email stating that I wanted my membership canceled effective immediately. I got a response back in about two weeks that said they could only do that if I requested it in writing. Everyone else takes an email as in writing and binding, except these asshats. I guess they will get the idea when they get nothing more from me. 0 -
This was a lonely place to be, 7 years ago...when there was only a bare few that saw the NRA with clear eyes.
Just remember...you cannot kill the giant without watching that it doesn't fall on you.
You MUST be prepared for the acceleration of gun control laws...and determined to resist them on a level not seen in a couple hundred years...
For accelerate they will..just as soon the feedback the NRA gives the government slows to a trickle, as Patriots refuse to play the game with the NRA any longer.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
This was a lonely place to be, 7 years ago...
Sure was, when there were VERY FEW, that DARED to question the motives of the NRA. [:0]
A little different now that people have been WATCHING there actions, NOT their words. [;)]0
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